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Off Topic Corona virus - non football

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by SAFCDRUM, Mar 16, 2020.

  1. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with that but the alternative is a group of labour or liberal politicians that don’t reach the heady heights of lightweight and why they were slaughtered in the elections so come on olf let’s hear your recommendation.
     
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  2. Nads

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    Cant argue that the opposition has been piss weak for years.

    Hopefully Kier shakes that up but will take years.
     
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  3. Conspiracy Theorist

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    Current social distancing rules as being applied in French Schools -That looks pretty traumatising for small kids - ffs leave kids at home until it's safe to attend schools.

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  4. old lads fan

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    There's not much to commend in the Labour Party at present, I agree with you on that. I'm not a Leftie or a Tory, I am simply commenting on what I see.
    I don't believe that a Labour Cabinet would have listened to, or worse still, acted on the advice of the likes of Dominic Cummins or ignored the evidence from Italy and Spain. It's been mentioned a few times on this thread, common sense is the answer, common sense is seeing the obvious and acting on it. Common sense is knowing that the virus is spread by close proximity to an infected individual so bring in social distancing as soon as possible, we saw that in Italy. Listen to the scientists when they talk about the infection curve, the R number, keeping people indoors will lower the R number so make that official policy immediately. That's what competence is, doing the obvious and not trying out a survival of the fittest crackpot theory, it will cost lives and it did. The Government has to lead in all of this and it hasn't.
    Germany hasn't done anything remarkable it just listened to the experts and used common sense, thats where the competence comes from.
     
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  5. rooch 3

    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    The thing is we can’t listen to Germany’s experts that’s what we pay ours for otherwise nobody would have experts they would just listen to the Germans.
     
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    Our experts said the same thing...if anything more so than the Getman ones, the Govt has for the past 10 years not taken the recommendations of the exercises carried out the krauts did...

    Cummings attended the earlier Sage meetings and may have delayed the Lockdown. Fatty Bonko missed several of the early COBRA meetings about the Coronvirus.

    A perfect storm, ignore recommendations for preparations needed if a virus was to strike. Then blunder around for several weeks, until you realised how dangerous the crisis is.

    Now after a couple of months or so, economy tanking, Treasury's running out of money...

    So accept more deaths as a price for economy to start working again...probably increase taxes..

    As for Brexit....
     
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  7. Flash Gordon

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    The part in bold is absolutely not true.

    The WHO declared this a pandemic 12 days before the UK had gone into lockdown.

    In their document that was completed on the 24th February, they clearly point out that Covid19 is not influenza and can't be treated as such. They gave the following guidelines to countries;

    For countries with imported cases and/or outbreaks of COVID-19
    1. Immediately activate the highest level of national Response Management
    protocols to ensure the all-of-government and all-of-society approach needed to
    contain COVID-19 with non-pharmaceutical public health measures;
    2. Prioritize active, exhaustive case finding and immediate testing and isolation,
    painstaking contact tracing and rigorous quarantine of close contacts;
    3. Fully educate the general public on the seriousness of COVID-19 and their role in
    preventing its spread;
    4. Immediately expand surveillance to detect COVID-19 transmission chains, by
    testing all patients with atypical pneumonias, conducting screening in some
    patients with upper respiratory illnesses and/or recent COVID-19 exposure, and
    adding testing for the COVID-19 virus to existing surveillance systems (e.g.
    systems for influenza-like-illness and SARI); and
    5. Conduct multi-sector scenario planning and simulations for the deployment of
    even more stringent measures to interrupt transmission chains as needed (e.g.
    the suspension of large-scale gatherings and the closure of schools and
    workplaces).

    This was recommended by 24th February. On 3rd March Boris was telling the public how he shook hands with people who had Coronavirus. It took until 12th March to stop pursuing herd immunity. At this point only us and Belarus in the whole of Europe still had our schools open. Despite the sudden realisation that we were in trouble, they still let the Cheltenham festival go ahead. We didn't lockdown until 23rd March, 2 weeks after most of Europe had done.
     
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    Blimey dynamite stuff...We all knew Fatty Bonko faffs around, like his counterpart in the USA...but he is showing himself unbelievably incompetent...
     
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  9. old lads fan

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    That was the crucial time that was wasted and an opportunity lost to keep the numbers of dead as low as possible instead the virus spread unhindered for 3 weeks at least.
    Led by donkeys.
     
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    That's horrible if I had a bairn I wouldnt br sending him to school like no chance
     
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    I used the word corrupt as a verb in the sense that they are encouraging people to do the wrong thing by by being so vague with their advice leaving it open to interpretation which could be very dangerous in the present circumstances, but I do think their over-riding aim is to get people back to work at any price, they are by doing this behaving exactly in character, and I would be surprised at any other explanation. I also think their is corruption at cabinet level in the form of Priti Patel, but thats another issue.
     
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  12. rooch 3

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    ec you are
    That’s because you are using your own common sense something a lot of people don’t seem to be blessed with unless they have a government official holding their hand all day.
     
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  13. rooch 3

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    And yet they have extended paying you 80% of your wages until October if you don’t think it’s safe? Strange that!
     
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    Everyone has their own view of what common sense is though and what actions they would take. By definition, half the people in this country have below average intelligence and may need someone to spell it out for them.

    If everyone just did their own thing, based on common sense then we wouldn't need a government or laws. They are there to provide a common course of action that everyone can follow and work towards the same thing.
     
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    The 80% is only guaranteed until the end of July.
     
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    It said October this morning on the Bbc
     
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  17. rooch 3

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    You have to be way way way below average intelligence to not understand there is a killer virus on the loose and you need to stay in to avoid dying.
     
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    Not me personally, but it is a welcome gesture, we will have to watch carefully to see how it works out in the jobs market, which now I am thankfully out of, having been self employed, and an employer for a considerable periods of my working life. I know we have to get back to normality sooner or later but the timing and crass manoeuvring of this shambles of a government turns my stomach.
     
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  19. rooch 3

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    Can’t disagree with you mate I just shudder to think it could be Corbyn and Abbott, Jesus even my hand started trembling when I was writing it.
     
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    Flip that though, if it was would you have typed ‘could have been Boris’
     
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