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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by AmalCarb, Jan 24, 2020.

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  1. The Compositor

    The Compositor Well-Known Member

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    We have one, the buckets of hindsight were out of stock we he needed them.
     
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  2. Heimdallr

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    Likewise. City/tourist sightseeing off-season on the rare occasions I've done it and during summer, pay more to voluntarily isolate myself and family from crowds, villa over hotel every time - the airport and flight are the only necessary evil. But each to their own, many enjoy the crowds, the buzz and hustle and bustle (?).

    As Cityman writes, there will always be a percentage who just don't give a toss and live their life as they want. Fly tipping in the UK used to infuriate me when I lived there. What can you do... Those crowding the beaches now are probably those who were stock-piling bogroll and perishable goods back in March.

    And as balkan tiger writes, the effects of the virus are so age specific, many probably feel they can ignore government advice, which itself has varied a lot over the past 2 months.. Which hasn't helped.

    What is interesting is that stock markets are around 15% off their February highs, whilst the world economy is supposed to have contracted by 25% and jobless totals gone up by a cumulative 250 million. All helped by governments/central banks agreeing to print money to save the situation. Feels like something got to give somewhere eventually.. But I thought this 10 years ago.
     
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  3. balkan tiger

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    It looks like it's been one big social experiment, different countries trying different things and seeing what happens. Looks like Belarus may have been the one to follow.

    What will come out of it?
    Well if you thought the NHS waiting list was bad before it is much longer now.
    A load of people who didn't go to hospital because they were only treating virus patients will have died or will die.
    The country has billions more debt, I suppose they can just print more bank notes or make it up, but the **** will hit the fan one day won't it?
    There will be some attempt to recoup the money, as ever those nearer the bottom will have to pay more than those at the top.
    Loads of businesses will close.
    The small investor has lost loads of money on their savings, investment plans and pensions, remember you need to stay in long term.
    And some other bad stuff.
    On the plus side.
    Amazon, Facebook, Google, Apple and a few other already mega rich got richer.
     
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  4. brownbagtiger

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    Maybe this ought to be on the Mental Health thread, but in the interests of balance, also on the plus side:
    • A renewed appreciation for the institution of the NHS and all the people that work there
    • Increase in community spirit - my mam's had half the street asking if she's ok and needs anything done
    • The huge numbers of people volunteering to deliver prescriptions and do shopping for the vulnerable, and generally do their bit
    • Actually making eye-contact and acknowledging other people when out for a walk. Sometimes actually smiling and saying hello!
    • Increased awareness of hygiene and disease prevention - coughs and sneezes spread lots of diseases, and not washing your hands after going to the bog makes you a manky bastard at any time
    • Captain Sir Tom Moore
    • Many employers finally realising that for office based roles, it is possible to work from home and have flexible attitudes to working and good employees still get the job done. Also, encouraging people to come into work with "just a cold" actually has a bigger impact on the rest of your employees and business than you may realise.
    • Improvement in air quality due to reduced levels of traffic
    • Spending more time with your immediate family
    • Getting done those jobs around the house you've been putting off for years
     
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  5. Large Elephant

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    Hindsight is one thing. But the Government had already long since recognised that the biggest threat to the UK was a global pandemic. It had already been pointed out in advance that the under funding of the NHS would obviously impact their ability to cope with such a pandemic. It had already been pointed out in advance that we had insufficient ICU units, insufficient PPE and insufficient testing facilities especially compared with (say) Germany or South Korea.
     
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  6. City Man

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    Don't the NHS 'own' this too?

    They have purchasing managers/directors paid to equip the NHS with the correct stuff.
     
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  7. Large Elephant

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    Yes, within the limits of their allocated budgets. It was recognised (in advance not just with hindsight) that such funding did not allow for purchasing the 'correct stuff' for such a pandemic that was identified as being the biggest likely threat to the UK.
     
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  8. City Man

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    https://www.theguardian.com/society...hs-procurement-official-privately-selling-ppe


    Just one individual of course in what is a large and complex picture.
     
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  9. dennisboothstash

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    As I've said before the majority of purchasing of stuff for the NHS isn't done by the NHS it is done by a company owned by the Govt because the Govt felt (rightly or wrongly) it was better to not have NHS managers and Directors paid to do that.
    Might not have covered IC units, I don't know, but if you're buying locally you can only buy stuff you can afford.
     
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  10. Asterix

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    Correct stuff? I think a more specific breakdown would be useful. But, at a guess, the items you would list are those previously chewed over on here many pages back.
     
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    A person in yet another organisation using the letters NHS, but not what the average person would think of as being the NHS.
    NHS Commissioning Units were set up with the intention of them becoming their own separate private companies because it was thought they would be much cheaper than the pesky public sector.
    Sensibly in this area the NHS realised that they were actually more expensive than if they did it themselves (roughly 4 times the cost they seemed to assume) and so are moving away from using them and setting their own body up to do it owned by the NHS locally (well across the North East anyway)
     
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    I'd rather take my chance on a 'crowded' beach than a supermarket or local convenience store.People need a glimmer of hope after 2 month's of abject misery and providing they act reasonably,use some common sense and follow the 'stay alert' guidelines,then I can't see what the big deal is?This whole lockdown scenario and accompanying media frenzy, has left some people with a feeling of having no purpose in life,a feeling of uselessness,a loss of employment,income,savings and sanity!!! It's simply not fair to generalise them as idiots who have a total disregard for their own safety and the safety of others,some of these 'day trippers' could well have spent the last 8 weeks staring out of a tower block window......The Country as a whole needs to move out of lockdown mode,respect social distancing and start moving forward again! If the Government hadn't allowed some give,would you,hand on heart,have supported it?
     
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  14. charon-the-ferryman

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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-given-hydroxychloroquine-clinical-trial.html

    i assume if its that bad they wouldn't be giving it to our own - although the anti Trum
    They're public sector - private is no state control - but you already knew that
     
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    Therein lies the problem...
     
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  17. Ric Glasgow

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    I don't disagree with your comment but some people have a total disregard for others,irrespective of Covid 19,and I'm sure we've all seen classic examples of that in the last 2 months.Like I say,we've probably got more chance of catching something in a supermarket courtesy of the coughers and splutterers,the dilly dallying label readers and the mask wearing couldn't care less brigade!!
     
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  18. brownbagtiger

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    They are doing a clinical trial because

    so this study should answer the question definitively. Although I would have thought they would have an indication one way or another by seeing what the relative incidence of COVID cases/deaths are in people who take it already due to rheumatoid arthritis/lupus/malaria, compared to those who don't.

    The side effects of the drug are concerning but under a clinical trial, you get more monitoring which should help reduce the risk. I'd love to know how they think it works as a prophylactic for COVID-19, given it was first posited as a treatment to suppress the immune system when the patient's immune system goes crazy (cytokinase storm).
     
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  19. brownbagtiger

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    Professor Sikora is a specialist in oncology, not infectious diseases or respiratory illnesses. I read his tweets with this fact in mind.
     
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    Heathrow is looking into getting some thermal cameras to check passengers temperature. Should have got some 4 months ago.
     
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