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  1. Tobes

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    I think their view merely reflects that of the majority of fans tbh mate.
     
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  2. Solid_Air 2

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    but the majority of fans cannot see the financial impact of that on their clubs .
     
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  3. Tobes

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    Many just don’t take an interest in that side of the game.

    There’ll be a financial impact anyway, irrespective of the games being completed. It is what it is, and clubs will have to cut their cloth accordingly, starting with transfers and wage deals.
     
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  4. Solid_Air 2

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    agreed but there is an added extra financial hit to not playing at PL level unlike further down the leagues where the financial hit is to playing as that would mean no gate receipts but taking players out of furlough .
     
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  6. Tobes

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    Don’t agree, it’s all relative, it’s just that the numbers are larger in the PL. The lower leagues literally die without fans, and that looks a long way off.
     
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    not sure i worded prev post particularly well possibly due to the near empty bottle of wine just by my left hand .
    PL - play means smaller losses
    Lower leagues - play means bigger losses / possible oblivion .

    The Exeter chairman was on tele earlier worried that having to play in the mooted play offs could tip them over the edge .Seriously think there may be a whole swathe of clubs (even well run ones) going to the wall and that may even stretch to the PL .
     
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  9. Tobes

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    The lower leagues are going to need a bail out mate. I saw a piece that said around 60 clubs were facing potential administration in the medium term. Most are run of shoe strings anyway and are hand to mouth even in a ‘normal’ season. So the FA, PL and the Govt are going to have to step in at some point with a chunk of cash, otherwise the professional game in this country will be changed beyond recognition.
     
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  10. Prince Knut

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    Rancid, bitter envy, in three words.
     
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    I didn't equate anything with Project Restart. The fan's behaviour I'm talking about pre-dates Project Restart in fact once the project was announced, those fans changed tack. You've made the mistake which seems quite common atm of making up a statement then responding to that statement instead of what was actually said.

    I don't know how much you love your club or how much it means to you because I've never seen your comments on that aspect. Ultimately clubs belong to the fans. Owners are just passing through. Players and managers will come and go but the fans remain the same. When I see you say that if your club votes for relegation, you will walk away I can't relate to that. Why would you give up on your club based on a decision you disagree with made by someone who's just passing through? Why give your power away like that? If it means something to you, you fight for it. That applies to anything in life. Challenge the club or the decision or both. If someone is going to walk away it looks like the club doesn't actually mean that much to *them.

    *anyone walking away not you specifically.
     
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    Okay maybe I shouldn't have used the term project restart, I took your 'wanted the season cancelled' to mean anyone who was against the outstanding games being played, apologies if I got that wrong.

    What I took exception with is the comment that Newcastle fans are like Liverpool fans because they love their club, as if other clubs supporters don't - every supporter loves their club. Like I say, they wouldn't spend thousands of pounds and give up days of their lives if they didn't.

    I also never said that I'd walk away if they voted for relegation, I specifically said if they voted for a solution that relegated a side currently sat in 16th, as it would be bollocks. Not sure how you mean by challenge, what exactly would you propose I do?

    Though I wouldn't see it as walking away from my club. I'd see it as my club as I've known and loved it simply doesn't exist anymore, and I wouldn't feel comfortable financially supporting them.

    Edit - original post said love football not club.
     
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  14. johnsonsbaby

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    Me and Donga were talking specifically about Newcastle because I said I don't know why they too have been singled out for some neutral venue games. I didn't randomly pick them out. I followed that by saying, like us, they love their club. They do, it's true. How on earth that comes across as others don't love their clubs I don't know, you've lost me on that one.

    Liverpool have a fan's union which is the group you hear about when fans are challenging the owners over ticket prices and furlough etc. They don't represent every Liverpool fan but they exist primarily to one day take ownership of the club but also to challenge anything the club does which isn't in the club's best interests locally and worldwide. As I said owners are just passing through, fans don't want the club putting anything into practice which won't benefit the club in the long term. If your club has a fan's union then that's who you go to to challenge the owners. If you don't have a union then you use whatever means you have access to like social media or you write to the club telling them that you're unhappy with what they are doing/have done. It depends how strongly you feel about an issue but if something comes up like for you, your club voting on an outcome you take exception to, then you surely wouldn't give it all up without trying to do something.

    I have mixed feelings on what football has become. It isn't the football I fell in love with when Liverpool were in the old second division. It's now moved on, it's become a 'business' and the PL is a money making machine. Nobody asked the fans what they thought about breaking away from the original set up and creating this football monolith but it's still my club and I've been there on every step of the journey so I still feel part of it. If Liverpool were still in the lower leagues I'd still be supporting them. The club grew but it brought us along with it and when things have gone wrong, the fans have stood up and spoken out so we still feel somewhat in control.

    If I was you I wouldn't let the current owners, or whoever is in the position to make the decision, take your club from you. That's what I mean by not giving your power away. Why should they - and not you - make a decision that takes something out of your life that you care about.
     
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    Yeah I must admit I don't get why they've included Newcastle either. I understand with you lot due to the end of a long wait (same with Leeds) but it doesn't make sense with Newcastle imo.

    For what it's worth don't agree with the mixing and matching of neutral venues. Should be all or nothing imo.

    I do understand your last point but ultimately in the current era withdrawing your money is the only way of really making your point imo. You lot are lucky to have owners that listen to the supporters when they do wrong (eg furlough). Ours is a crook who couldn't give a monkeys. Not sure we even have a recognised ISA.
     
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    Donga brought up Newcastle as he said they were about the only set of fans that thought that Liverpool deserved to be champions, so they were likely being ‘punished’ for that by making Man City’s home game with them played at a neutral venue.

    Which was utter horse **** on every level possible.
     
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    Watched half an hour of Hertha Berlin this afternoon, Grujic laying on the second goal late on for a 2-0 win.

    Hard to say what will happen with Grujic in the long term, he only cost us just over £5m and we've made at least half of that back in loan fees.
     
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  18. Prince Knut

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    Talking of horseshit, I had already heard the Merseyside Police had insisted that they have no objections to the derby being held at Goodison, and now this:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...set-Anfield-glory-Government-green-light.html

    As said though, there's no mention yet of moving your training sessions to a neutral venue. I'm sure we'll let you hide on our Kirby Academy.
     
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    I had the ****ing misfortune to be stuck in the middle of the SOS about a decade ago at Elland Rd during the final days of H&G. I was with a Leeds-supporting mate whom I'd managed to get tickets for.

    I expected protests at half time, but **** me, they didn't let up for a frigging minute during the whole game. In fact, when N'Gog (I think?) scored the winner - against the run of play, it has to be said - a lot of them didn't even notice and kept singing protest chants.

    But Liverpool does have some fine supporters groups (as do the ****e, it has to be said) with more embedded links to these Shermans. I still don't fully trust FSG though, but even amongst my own family I get flack for that from most Reds, it has to admitted.
     
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  20. Prince Knut

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    I think we should be allowed to turn at Anfield to test our eyesight anyway. <double>
     
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