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Ta mate, that's a hefty sum there.
I suppose you can pay that back with relative ease when the stadium is back open and full again?

 

It's at 0.5% interest, so Levy's grabbing that free cash, basically.
Utd are supposedly doing the same for £140m, but the Glazers will probably pocket it and make the club pay it back. The ****s.

 

I imagine so, and like PNP says the interest rate on offer makes it a good move. We’re not just losing out on matchday revenue of course, but other non-football events too. Recouping the cash shouldn’t be too much an issue once things pick up again, as long as it’s not literally years before we can host concerts or boxing, or indeed football games, again.

 

Utds debt has increased under them right?

 

I believe that there are only a couple of clubs with a high enough credit rating to take advantage of this loan offer. I heard that the other one was not Liverpool.

 

Erm.. Ok

 

They bought the club with it's own money and pay themselves millions every year in dividends.
They spent something like £600m acquiring the shares, then stuck it back on the club when it was completed.
It's something like £800m worth of debt and interest repayments in the last decade, while they pay themselves tens of millions every season.

 

Great huh
Wonder what happens when they sell up. Its a lot of debt

 

They'll probably get sold to some random billionaire, going by the current trend. Might not be an issue.

 

Good point. Same ones who own city

 

They could combine the clubs and make Manchester united.....or Etihad....

 

I put it on the wrong thread mate, **** knows how though.

 

They say that C.Ronaldo has become the first billion dollar football player in earnings.........

 

Watched a German league game with an empty stadium. Weird.Like watching a Sunday morning game on the Tottenham Marshes. Then part of a game in Berlin where the stadium was empty but crowd sounds. If you closed your eyes it sounded like the stadium was packed. I wonder if it encouraged the German players to play harder?

 

Raheem Sterling discussing black managers:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52972621

He may have a point, but he uses poor examples.
Ashley Cole has just gone into coaching and is in exactly the same position that Gerrard and Lampard were at the same point.
They both joined their main clubs' youth set-up and went from there, which is what he's just done.

As for Judas, the prick just burned his bridges everywhere and has acted the **** for many years.
He's also flopped miserably as a coach and tried to put one of his teams into receivership.

 

Definitely picked shoddy examples. It’s also worth pointing out that Lampard got the Chelsea job probably way earlier than he would have thought, due to circumstance. I’m sure he wanted to manage there eventually but probably expected to cut his teeth elsewhere to a greater extent first. He’s hardly been fast tracked into the role because he’s white, not that I think that was being suggested.

While I agree on his point about representation, the article I read about this on the Graun quotes the current representation of black players in the PL as a third. I don’t have the figures but I assume this has increased since 10/15 years ago, when the current crop of managers he’s referring to were playing. As most managers have some background as players at some level, you’d expect the next generation to change the racial mix of coaches - at least those who come from the English game, which many don’t, but that’s a whole other issue.

That all said, there definitely could be more work done to protect BAME applicants from discrimination in hiring processes, and also potentially looking at representation in governance/pastoral roles, which I think is a valid point he makes. I actually think the representation at a governance level is more significant. It might also help break up the old boys club.

 

This is a very big point, I think.

English coaches have started edging their way back into the Premier League, but they're not just given those jobs, for the most part.
There are quite a number of English managers in the Premier League this season, but they all started at lower levels or abroad.
A lot of them got their current clubs promoted to this division or have done it with other teams.

Dean Smith: Started at Walsall in the 3rd tier as caretaker. Took over Villa in 14th place in the Championship.
Eddie Howe: Started at Bournemouth in the 4th tier, then returned to them in the 3rd.
Graham Potter: Started at Ostersund in the 4th tier of Swedish football and lead them to the top flight and Europe. Did well with Swansea, then joined Brighton.
Sean Dyche: Started at Watford in the Championship, having been promoted from the coaching staff. Sacked. Joined Burnley in the same division.
Fat Frank: Started at Derby in the Championship. Joined Chelsea when they had a transfer ban.
Roy Hodgson: Joined Halmstad in Sweden when they were tipped for relegation. Won two titles. Didn't get a permanent job in England for nearly two decades.
Steve Bruce: Joined Sheffield United in the 2nd tier. Was willing to work with Mike Ashley and he's a Geordie.
Chris Wilder: Started at 9th tier Alfreton Town. Joined Sheffield United in the 3rd tier.
Nigel Pearson: Started at 4th tier Carlisle Town. May be an ostrich. 92nd Watford manager this season.

 

Thanks for running the list. I hadn’t realised that nearly half the coaches in the PL were English, for a start.

Managing a football club is a really tough job. Not all great players will be great managers and not all great managers were great players. For every Pep there’s a Mourinho. Any ex-players who expect a top job on a plate will be sorely disappointed, no matter the colour of their skin.

That’s not to say that racism doesn’t exist in the game and that black coaches and managers aren’t discriminated against, I’m sure they are in a myriad of subtle and maybe even obvious ways. But there are many more reasons that Arteta, not Sol Campbell, is managing Arsenal.

 

Who'd have thought of the 1966 team, the best coach they could muster was the lesser talented Charlton. You'd thought the other Charlton, Moore or Peters would be the ones to make it. Alan Ball had a bit of a career, but didn't really amount to much

 

The other aspect to consider is that white managers can start their careers abroad, especially at previous clubs.
That's less of an option for black players who want to go into coaching.

Serie A has 16 Italian managers and one of the four who isn't made racist remarks and was connected with war criminals.
La Liga has three non-Spanish managers and one is Zidane.
The Bundesliga has 11 Germans, one American who was born in Germany, two Swiss, two Austrians and a Dutchman.
One coach whose first language isn't German, as far as I can tell.