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Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by OddDog, Jun 23, 2013.

  1. SwanHills

    SwanHills Well-Known Member

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    Certainly agree there, QM, the tabloids did overreact, but that is not surprising as business must be pretty tough for many of them atm?

    You know, this Cold Case has really put the spotlight on a very long-running German TV 'real crime show', namely "Aktenzeichen XY". For some reason my missus and I never took to this programme, so, of course, we missed this one. If you have time this evening, maybe you could take a look at the related article in DeutscheWelle, you may find it of interest, although I cannot guarantee that you will! :emoticon-0101-sadsm Haven't read it myself yet, but will start now!

    https://www.dw.com/en/cold-cases-ma...potlight-on-german-real-crime-show/a-53686379
     
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  2. Cyclonic

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    I'm wary of tv shows that promote themselves on the back of horrific crimes. Sure they can sometimes help, but deep down in the gut I've got an uneasy feeling that it's mostly about eyes on the screen.
     
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  3. SwanHills

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    Yep, wife and I agree with you!

    ……"For some reason my missus and I never took to this programme"
     
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  4. QuarterMoonII

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    I have no idea. I have not read any of the reports. The few minutes that it got on the TV News suggested that the police discounted this man thirteen years ago (he was in Portugal at the time with his camper van) but now he is languishing in a German prison for child sex offences so they have a known paedophile who they know was in the vicinity of the crime. If they had actual evidence then they would be prosecuting.
     
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  5. SwanHills

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    Sorry, video clip did not 'fire'! <doh>
     
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    Right, is this the thread where we start the name calling and profanity? <whistle>
     
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    You better not or you can fek right off, you dodgy digger deviant <laugh>
     
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  9. QuarterMoonII

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    Referring to the video that Swanny was trying to post, I am assuming that the fencing has been erected because of the resident of The White House rather than for fear that demonstrators will demolish it.

    We had the sight in Bristol of a bunch of hooligans tearing down a statue of Edward Colston, a former slave trader.

    There are calls for the removal of the statue of Cecil Rhodes in Oxford on the same grounds. Why do these people think that they can change this country’s history, tear down relics of that history and everything will be alright? Their actions are only alienating people from their cause, except in the Guardian where columnist Suzanne Moore (a former Greenham Common protestor herself) thinks direct action is fine for the historically ignorant.

    Over in the US, the protestors also want rid of symbols of the country’s history. The governor of Virginia has pledged to remove the statue of Confederate general Robert E. Lee like that will suddenly make good on his mistreatment of slaves 150 years ago. The White House was part built by slaves so that too should be demolished?

    On 25th March, 1807, the Abolition of the Slave Trade Act was passed in the House of Commons, the result of a 20 year effort by Granville Sharp and Thomas Clarkson, supported through Parliament by the Hull MP William Wilberforce.

    Let us not kid ourselves that slavery ended that night. The Act did not take effect until 1st May and after that required enforcement, even by the Royal Navy on the high seas. Slavery in the British Empire did not end until 1833.

    The anarchists who want to rewrite our history have no understanding of not only British history but the history of the civilized world. Slavery has been with us since the recording of time began, and still exists in some parts of the world, although frequently not referred to by the name. The idiots seen fighting with the police in London (it is not the British police accused of murdering an American) and vandalizing monuments do so not because of any affiliation to a cause but because they can post footage of their escapades on social media. The apparent appeasement of their actions by the authorities can only result in a further descent into the abyss.

    Surely they should be arranging a visit to Egypt to demolish the pyramids, built using slaves.

    Expect the Wikipedia entries of various privileged white males connected to slavery to be rewritten soon.
     
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  10. Toby

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    You can't change history, but statues are completely pointless. Why glorify someone that was not worthy of it? Should a Jimmy Savile statue be removed?
     
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    The wikipedia article on Edward Colston is quite enlightening and adds some much needed context

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Colston

    This just the opening section:

    "Edward Colston (2 November 1636 – 11 October 1721) was an English merchant, slave trader, Tory Member of Parliament, and philanthropist. Born in Bristol, he became a merchant, initially trading in wine, fruits and cloth, mainly in Spain, Portugal and other European ports. In 1680, he became involved in the slave trade through his work on the committees of the Royal African Company, which held a monopoly of the English trade in African slaves. He was Deputy Governor (1689–90) of the company. It is uncertain how much of his wealth stemmed from the slave trade.
    Colston used his wealth to support and endow schools, hospitals, almshouses and churches in Bristol, London and elsewhere. His name is commemorated by several Bristol landmarks, streets, schools and the Colston bun. Charitable foundations inspired by ones he founded survive.
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    You say slavery ended in british empire in 1833 , i think the millions of indians who were shipped all over the world by the british will disagree with that assessment , british empire was built on exploitation of people , their lands , and all done with brutal enforcement , you with your white cloak of privalage will no doubt have no insight or empathy with those who suffered at the butchers apron .
     
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  13. QuarterMoonII

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    As the Politics thread is gone, I went to the trouble of making my post about re-writing history as apolitical as I could but clearly you have another agenda. We became wealthy from the British Empire and slavery, so to undo history we should just give that back and live in penury. At the time of the abolition of slavery, we did pay £20m to former slave traders for their loss, which took 180 years to clear from the national debt.

    I am not sure how long the statue of Edward Colston has stood in Bristol but clearly it was erected by patrons in honour of a successful 17th century businessman and benefactor of the city. There are many others around the country. Here in Hull, there is a statue of William Wilberforce in the grounds of his house, now a museum, and one on a Doric column.

    The anarchists who vandalised the statue of Winston Churchill in Parliament Square were clearly the usual bunch of Marxists who hate anybody that was rich and successful. There were no reports of vandalism in East Highgate cemetery over the weekend, perhaps because it is paid admission. I guess war memorials like the Cenotaph are fair game for recreational outrage as they celebrate thousands of warmongers.

    In the era of woke virtue signalling, it was no surprise to see Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner taking a knee in support of ending “anti-black racism”. Obviously racism against anyone else that is not white is fine.
     
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  14. QuarterMoonII

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    My white cloak of privilege sent me to a school where I learned to spell privilege properly. You clearly were not educated but just pressed into service at sea. You really need to get that chip off your shoulder.

    The Act for the Abolition of Slavery, 1833, made owning slaves illegal in the British Empire with the exception of Ceylon and Saint Helena, both at the time owned by the East India Company. Time for you to go off on one of your rants about Capitalism...
     
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  15. Toby

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    You didn't answer my question, you just had another rant about lefties. Give it another go?
     
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    German seagull social distancing
     

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    as someone with often left leaning views I totally agree with you here QuarterMoon.
    very dangerous to attempt to rewrite a country's history.
    the people who are attempting this come across as a rather uneducated bunch - I suppose we can expect more of this in future as very little education is now able to be provided.

    Those trying to desecrate the statue of Churchill should also the consider the criminal past of Nelson Mandela.
    Both great men, but both no saints. They should both be honoured as the great things that they achieved though.

    Regarding slavery today I am totally against the World Cup being held in Qatar in 2022 - the stadiums all built by slaves in that country.
    The protestors would do better to target that country rather than here in the UK.
     
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    <laugh> Thanks, LG, we had a good laugh with that one down here. Guess Oddy and Ron see more seagulls than we do? Bit of a long flight for them to south-east Bavaria!
     
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