Off Topic Coronavirus and NOTHING to do with football thread

I'm sure the vast hordes who voted for Brexit well understood the rules, and the implications.

 

Debate is enhanced when people can actually show how they reached their point of view, quoting some facts, figures or other sources. You SH have been asked to supply this type of information but seem unable to do so. Wishful thinking, and old quotes that have been discarded do not contribute to reasoning and therefore should not be considered as factual.

 

Of course once you receive a citizenship in one EU country you can live anywhere in the EU.

 

You also need to understand the information I have constantly supplied.

 

You are confusing citizenship with residency, two very different things.

 

Yeah of course they did.

https://www.indy100.com/article/bre...ree-movement-channel-4-interview-news-8773846

 

Er, citizenship doesn't happen just like that SH. I have been through the process of getting German nationality - you need 8 years continuous residence, evidence of having paid into their state pension system, evidence of income, and if you have not taken any state recognized professional qualifications there you need to take a German language exam, together with the test 'life in Germany', which works as an additional language test. You also need a completely clear criminal record. Keeping your British nationality is only possible if your application for naturalization was in before the Brexit date. Germany is average in this - some other countries are easier, and some are more difficult. If you want to become Spanish then you have to give up British nationality and their language test is based at C1 level (ie. the same as if you wanted to study at University there). Believe me naturalization is a lot harder than it sounds.

 

No, the Golden Visa scheme gets you a residence permit.

If you spend as little as an average of just 7 days per year in Portugal, after 6 years the residence permit-holder can achieve Portuguese citizenship.

 

It does not effect holiday homes. UK expats currently living in Spain will have their rights secured, they will not know the difference.

 

Look up Portugal, it is easy peasy.

 

Only it does.

As without FoM then Brits will be entering EU countries on holiday terms i.e a maximum of a 90 day stay out of every 180. They’ll also be responsible for their own healthcare arrangements, which for many will be cost prohibitive.

 

Getting a Portuguese passport is easier than becoming Spanish - but you still need proof of legal residence for the required period (6 years) and a language test. However, I know that becoming Portuguese is easier if you are Brazilian or if you are from the EU. After Brexit conditions may have become harder for the British to do this. There are no two ways about this - you have to be fluent in the language of a country before taking its passport, you can't just speak English more loudly as I suspect you would do

 

There are currently no agreements in place with anyone in this regard, and your assertion that someone who owns a holiday flat in Benidorm is somehow wealthy enough to not worry about it, sums up just how detached from reality you truly are.

 

I suppose most Brits will be satisfied with just the residency permit obtainable through the Golden Visa scheme, this allows free access throughout the Schengen area. Applying for citizenship would only be necessary if wanting to live in other EU countries. In this case there is a basic language test.

 

What people in the UK should be getting worried about is the news the R rate has risen to between 0.7 and 1.0. It is thought that some communities are already above the 1.0 figure, meaning that people there are spreading the virus. Just as the government starts saying it is safe to go back to work or school when it clearly isn't if you live in one of those areas. It is also clear that while virtually every EU country is seeing drops in infection at a steady pace, Sweden and the UK are not achieving the same results. The two countries that decided to play odd ball. As the economic outfall from this starts to be felt, the UK could be several months behind, still grappling with the virus while others are on the long road to recovery.

 

It is only fair to give some of the struggling EU members a head start before the UK powers past them. Who is going to teach France and the Southern EU countries how to create jobs? These countries are also predicted to have a deeper recession than the UK, not looking good for them.

 

And you wish to debate but not mention the facts, just more airy fairy wishful thinking. Pointless.

 

The facts suggest France and other Southern EU countries have high unemployment. The facts show they are not very good at creating new jobs. Fact, recent report showed the recession will be worse in France and other EU countries than the UK.

They are just facts you are clearly uncomfortable with.

 

It appears that you are talking to yourself now. My post was about the R number rising and how with free travel in the UK now the conditions including economic could be set back. So quite what your ramble is about, who knows apart from you.

 

You claimed the UK could be behind others on economic recovery, I fleshed out how far behind France and the other struggling Southern EU economies were on job creation, an important part of getting back to normal. If you want more facts I'm only willing to supply them.