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Off Topic Coronavirus and NOTHING to do with football thread

Discussion in 'Watford' started by andytoprankin, Mar 21, 2020.

  1. oldfrenchhorn

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    Just watched Hancock going solo. Have the SAGE members refused to tell anymore lies? That was an absolute insult to anyone's intelligence. <yikes>
     
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    The Tory MP leading efforts to promote the Covid-19 contact-tracing app trial on the Isle of Wight appears to have broken lockdown rules at a barbecue also attended by the chairman of the Brexit party and political journalists, Simon Murphy and Peter Walker report.

    Bob Seely went to the gathering at a time when the guidance stated you could only meet one other person and strictly ruled out groups mixing from different households or people visiting and entering another person’s home, including in gardens.

    More of the it doesn't apply to us?
     
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    Just been speaking to my daughter for the past hour who works in hospitals. Every time I am in contact with her I want to know if she has been tested as she comes into contact with the public. No she has not been tested to see if she has the virus. None of the people in her department have been tested either. She is going to be tested next week to see if she has had the virus. Result expected in three weeks.
    The Trump cure has been dumped by Oxford Uni. research labs as it was actualing killing more than it saved. One of the people that my daughter works with confirms this.
    My daughter is at risk, yet all I see is a Tory supporter come on here and try to divert the real conversation about the abject failure of this government away from the subject. One day maybe he will address the actual issue, but it seems that he doesn't wish to go into that area. His priority is Brexit, whereas I am more concerned about my daughter's life.
     
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    I know.. Since he has been allowed back after his last aggressive diatribes he has consistently sought to steer this thread away from the tragedy of Coronavirus towards his own political agenda.. Not even a nod towards the 300+ dying every day...
     
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    Nothing anybody writes on this forum will make any difference to your daughter's health and welfare. Decisions which affect front line hospital staff are not taken by any of the few posters on here, as far as I know.

    You have a well defined political agenda of criticising the Conservative government at every opportunity whilst blocking out completely the many faults of the government where you actually live. As I have previously stated there will be a proper time for all governments, including ours, to be judged on their performance. Most will be justifiably criticised, hopefully lessons will be learnt so we are all better prepared in future.

    You are wrong, my family is far more important than Brexit. That does not stop me celebrating the vote to leave and the strong negotiating stance taken by our negotiator. The UK will sever all ties at the end of the year, deal or no deal. The EU is belatedly realising the UK is a sovereign nation and will be treated as such.
     
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    I think that you have confirmed what I said. Nothing about how your government has chosen to handle the crisis, just ignore the issue. Let's talk about somewhere else. Why does the UK have the worst stats in Europe? Why does the spokesman keep changing the charts it shows? Why are more advisors saying that your government are wrong? How can a cabinet minister say it is illegal to spend a night away from home, yet defend Cummings when he does just that? These are questions that you don"t seem to want to engage with SH. I have pointed out how schools have been closed again as the virus has reared it's head again here in France. If I was trying to defend what was going on here I would not have mentioned it. If you are not prepared to be honest about what is happening in the UK and confront what is happening, then I can understand why you want to change the subject, but seeing as this is about the virus if you want to talk about the EU, then maybe confine yourself to discussing how those countries have dealt with the same problem, and consider why they are far further forward in getting it under control.
     
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    Not often you hear from Will Hughes but he has had a strong view on Trump.



    Gone unnoticed on social media.

    Rather different outcome had it been Troy Deeney!
     
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    Yes I did see that, and had exactly the same thoughts as you.
     
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    So what difference does your daily politically inspired whinging make? As I'm not part of the cabinet I am resigned to accept the consequences of the current government's decisions. However competent it may or not be, there is no possible or likely alternative.
     
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    Another emotive term.... you consistently use it... is it a part of your daily life?

    Given that most of your posts are politically inspired and entreched in one position... I think we have a case of projection... pot calling kettle black

    Actually Frenchie nealry always posts considered and researched items....

    How on earth can any free thinker... be resigned to accept anything????
     
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    Governments are there to govern and to be judged on their performance in doing so SH. It is only in dictatorships that criticism of the government's performance is beyond critcism. I suspect that if we had a Labour administration in power trying to cope with this crisis then you would be the first to hurl mud at them. However, what is on trial in this crisis is not just governments but also the response of the people - governments can say 'use your common sense' only in places where such a thing as 'common sense' prevails amongst the multitude. If enough people out there see the wearing of masks, or social distancing, as being an infringement of their liberty - and just go on saying things like 'I'll be all right' or 'It's no worse than the flu so what's all the fuss about' then a governments efforts will fail (whatever they are). Germany's methods have worked well so far - but not because of policy, rather more that the population were educated and informed fully as to why restrictions were taking place, and why they were important.
     
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    Yes a good example is masks..... I was banging on about them months ago ... I rememmer the Czech republic making them manadatory... I ordered and started wearing them... even family members thought i was OTT about them... A couple of days ago i went into a supermarket and only about 20% of people were wearing them. Sadly the message from, Govt was not strong enough on this and still is not robust.. .so people make less considered decisions...and put lives at risk

    Govts too have to listen to the people... Just because they were voted in by one part of the democratic process it does not mean the people are then impotent for the next 4+ years ... clearly not..... So we need to stand up and be counted... that is a crucial part about how change happens in this world
     
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    As you know Yorkie I am a member of Bundnis 90 die Grünen (ie. the German Green Party). We have local elections here in September and so the problem is how to conduct our political work, and election campaign, during a corona crisis. Up to now out monthly local meetings have been online using Zoom, but on Thursday night we had the problem of electing candidates for each ward, and for the reserve list. Unfortunately this could not be done in the form of a video conference, which meant around 20 of us meeting in a room to caste votes (20 appears a small number but that is just from our municipality). It was a large room where tables were separated to ensure 1.5 metres distance, but it would have been impossible to maintain this for a meeting which took 3 hours. There was some debate about whether the wearing of masks was compulsory in this situation - however, I insisted that this had nothing to do with the law (only party members present !) the question being 'was it sensible' ? I maintained that I had to wear one on the bus journey to the meeting, even though there were only 3 other passengers and the journey took 10 minutes, and that there was no way I was going to sit through a 3 hour debate with 19 others who all work in social professions without one - regardless of what the law said. There was a little opposition at first, but in the end we all wore masks ! Sitting with a mask for 3 hours and actually speaking publically whilst wearing one are both difficult - at the end I thought mushrooms were growing under it ! The problem is with laws is that at some time they have to be withdrawn - but at what stage ? If something was considered unsafe last Friday - why should it be any different this Thursday ? Regardless of what the law has said in the meantime. The question of relaxing of lockdowns is a thorny one - at what stage do you do it ? Numbers in Germany are falling dramatically, but the danger is still there - do you wait until the disease is eradicated completely ?
     
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    I guess the follow on from this is can we trust people to make good decisions without a decree... I am unconvinced that a significant proportion of the public will make such decisions... Particularly those who believe themselves to be at risk.
    Also what is the value of one life?? Versus the economy?? How many deaths are a good enough price to pay??
     
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    I have just been reading some thoughts of people on a French website where the consensus was that strict enforced rules have actually been the most effective when you look at how far countries that have adopted them have progressed in comparison with those that have relied on people to use their common sense. They also discussed how different countries had protected their workforce, with some giving 100 % protection to their earnings, and others offering scaled down versions. The opinion is that countries coming out of some of their restrictions now will be the first to start an economic recovery, while others could be still weeks if not months away. The protection given to the workforce and companies also means that many have been in hibernation and are ready to spring back into action. Other countries that have been less generous will actually have companies that will never start again, something that will also prove to be a drag on the economy for maybe years to come.
     
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    Anyone who has worked on a large building project, of which I admit guilty, would have known that this was sheer total madness. Still what can you expect from a bunch of bankers, PR employees and journalists. They wouldn't know one end of a brick from the other.
     
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    Crazy situation. I have less than no intention of visiting a site anytime soon.
     
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