The Nitty Gritty of the BLM movement

Give him a chance, man

 

Isn't that a pretty strong indication that the global footballing system is favoured towards white people?

 

That's bound to be the explanation from anyone wishing to use racism as a reason and has nothing to do with the relative abilities of the actual candidates.

 

But if there are plenty of talented black coaches and managers out there. Why aren't the African countries using them in the biggest football tournament in the world?

The general argument is, the black managers aren't given a chance because of discrimination. So why aren't their own people employing them?

 

It's the 3rd or 4th post I've written to him about the BLM and racism subject.

He's yet to reply to one of them. I haven't upset him personally, so I can only presume he has no answer to the points I'm putting forward.

 

It's his normal modus operani when he knows that answering a question won't suit his argument - just ignore it!

 

I think the problem is that many of them can't get a foothold on the ladder in which they can test and improve themselves. It is rare a manager gets appointed at national level without proving themselves at club level.

I'd say it's a tremendously sad state of affairs when they can't even get to the point where they can get the top job in a majority black country, never mind white countries.

I really don't know the ins and outs of football clubs and the recruitment of backroom staff so I don't have a clue why they seemingly aren't getting a go, I'm not definitively saying it is racism because I just don't have a clue.

But it definitely looks like they're not getting much a crack for whatever reason and whether that's racism or not, it might be nice to see a bit more diversity in the dugout.

 

I can only come to the conclusion that a large element of BLM are a bunch of racist ****s. I base this on them not mentioning modern day slavery, as this would mean they have to admit black people enslave other black people which doesn't fit the narrative of evil white racist. **** them, they can all take their bended knee and go **** themselves in the face with it.

 

Please don't ignore the 'pimps' and trafficers (Africa to Europe who will happily dispose of 'cargo') and, according to most reports, would appear to be black.

Their actions appear, to me, to be on a par with those transporting slaves from Africa to the Windies.

 

I said I wouldn't reply in this thread. I do have feelings on the matter and would love to reply, but I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't. The same people telling me to give it a rest are the same ones taking the piss that I somehow don't have an answer.

The fact you can't all see this, and a mod joining in and enabling the abuse is ****ing mental.

 

If it helps I think I agree with your sentiments. Correct me if I’m wrong here, but I think you generally believe that the systems and policies set up within government, private business etc etc are inherently racist. It’s not actually the individual that is racist, more the the fact that the policies and systems that allow it? Or a merengue?

 

The liberation of all black people is a stated aim of BLM. Unless you're a slave in Africa today then we don't give a **** about you and aren't going to mention a thing about it. That way, we don't have to face the uncomfortable truth that black people oppress other black people as it's only white people that do that.

 

Again!!!

 

As far as football management goes the likes of Ince and Campbell have soured it for any prospective black managers. Crying racism when getting the sack for not being good at your job must influence chairmen's thinking.

 

There may be a perfectly reasonable reason, I don't think saying that is unreasonable.

Certain cultures excel at chess, violin, rugby, mathematics .... perhaps black players just aren't suited to football management for no specific reason.

People from the NE, in general, aren't naturally predisposed to fine art whereas Cockneys are useless at whippet racing.

Who knows eh?

 

Sort of, yes.

Just some background because people keep asking why I care etc...

It does make me sad because I very much identify, as someone who grew up in poverty, with how hard it is to get out of it. I wasn't encouraged to be entrepreneurial at school, my family had no money, I didn't have contacts, I didn't know where to start and there was no money around the area to help people like me do something innovative. You all know this is true because you likely also grew up with it.

Life was about getting a job and surviving young adulthood, even though I knew I could do more and had a plan to do so even as young as 22. I outlined to my then girlfriend what I would do, and she just laughed and said 'where do you begin?'.

In my 30s, I was given a leg up by an EU funded regional development scheme that (because I was from the North East) gave me a platform at the Bank of England to pitch to hundreds of investors (I can tell you about this one day if anyone wants to know the definition of ****ting yourself is ). That led to people from America investing in my business and I now run a company worth... well, a lot of money, by anyone's standards.

And that came as a direct result of someone in the South recognising that positive discrimination was needed to address a statistical disparity in how investment was spread around the country. They recognised that there was something wrong with the system that disadvantaged me and gave me less chance of success because I'd been born 200 miles too far north. There was no outright policy of north vs south that someone had put in place to deny us, but a culmination of ignorance of how other policies would play out over decades had allowed it to happen.

That's why I fight for stuff like this. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't stand up for another group in society who have been disadvantaged and marginalised by years of ignorance and reluctance to accept the divide that exists. They deserve to be listened to and given more opportunities in order to redress that balance, to be treated equally (see below), and have some positive schemes put in place to help young black people escape the cycle that I was close to falling into.

It's why I can't fault Stormzy for his initiative to send young black kids to Uni at all, because I benefited from exactly that, and nobody has ever had a problem with it.

On your post...

I wouldn't go as far as to say that all systems or policies are inherently racist, I would say that the inequality faced by black people in western countries up until relatively recently contributes to their higher poverty rates, higher crime rates, higher drug use rates - just as it does in poor white communities. That's what systemic racism is, where an underclass created by previous racism is put in a position of disadvantage, but then treated as 'naturally' inclined to be less intelligent, more violent etc.

Years of economic subjugation (not getting jobs, not being given the same opportunities, not being allowed to marry certain people, even) that we are only one generation removed from, has left 45% of black kids being in poverty vs 26% of white kids. That suggests that they have less chance at a good start in life, which I think we could all agree is absolutely critical? When black people then face 2.5x the amount of violence when being arrested, it suggests that the police treat them differently - almost certainly on a subconscious level.

So for me, it begins with addressing that fundamental problem, that people can be subconsciously conditioned to treat people of a different ethnicity negatively, which then reduces opportunity and further contributes to the lower standard of living for the minority.

A great example from someone on here was their work trying their level best not to hire an Indian guy because they just didn't think he'd fit in because they were all white. They held off for 2 weeks in the hope that a white person would apply and they'd feel more comfortable. That person felt that it was just prejudice, not racism, or that it was not intended, but it's really the same outcome for the victim of that prejudice, and it's naive to think that's a one off, the poster here - to his credit - just had the decency to be honest.

Like I said, I've sat in a room and been told that black developers are not as good as white developers. Just straight up racism that will probably mean some people haven't, and won't, get jobs in tech, which are better paid than most jobs. Another rung on the ladder that is whipped away from someone, and the person doing it probably doesn't consider that they contribute to the overall problem.

Nobody is perfect. No race is better than others. Racism does exist both ways. All of those things can be true and not contradict anything I've said above.

This is at least an attempt to engage in good faith so warranted a response. @Dancingstripes I'll get round to yours too.

 

I just don't get this tbh.


I find that the government, private businesses, etc are biased against working class Geordies like myself.

I accept that because there's an attitude of self preservation in all of us.

In our Durham pit village there was a family, at the bottom of the street, called the Lyons. Even as a kid I noticed they were treat slightly differently and not truly accepted, us kids treat them as 'outsiders' to a slight degree without knowing why.

It wasn't until recently, at a family funeral in Durham, that I found the Lyons had been in the village for 10 years before I was born. The kids were all born in our village and, to cap it all, they'd come from a neighbouring village across the valley.

There was no animosity but jobs, and money, was scarce so people were wary about 'outsiders' moving in.

I don't think there's anything so bad about it, just human nature ...

... however irrational it doesn't mean people are nasty.

Nor does it mean that prejudice is an evil, it just means 'pre judged' and we're all guilty of that.

 

Lewis Hamilton says some drivers' reluctance to take a knee before the Austrian Grand Prix is down to a lack of understanding of racism.

"I described the scenario that silence is really generally complicit. There is some silence in some cases," he said.

World champion Hamilton added: "But I think it is part of a dialogue of people trying to understand, because there are still some people who don't fully understand what is happening and what is the reason for these protests and I continue to try to be that guide and try to influence as many people as I can with it."

I don't think Hamilton is a radical, or too far astray, in his thoughts but his attitude is typical of that which alienates people.

He doesn't seem to appreciate that some people simply don't agree with his views or those of BLM. He believes that he's totally right and other people just don't understand which is quite narrow minded. He doesn't seem to consider that other people have equally valid reasons for not wanting to accept Floyd as a martyr, which he quite obviously isn't. A martyr is someone who knowingly gives his life for a cause he believes in, Floyd lost his life as a result of attracting the attention of the police.

And once again we have 'BLM' accusing people of being involved in racism if they don't toe the party line.

Silence doesn't make anyone complicit.

The thing is, people are entitled to live their lives as they choose, surely what this movement is supposed to be all about.

 

Is kittenmitten black or just a massive social justice warrior with too much time on his multi millionaire hands? I couldn't figure it out from that long winded piece of bull **** I just read. Don't y'all be liking this comment, I want to be alone with my racism.

 

i have had enough of this turd burglar, and his BLM which is another excuse for a free looting job