The Nitty Gritty of the BLM movement

I'm not abusing you, I'm just putting forward a point to you, that I don't think you are able to explain.

 

Sorry KM, i'm not seeing the abuse.

What i'm seeing is a reluctance to answer/respond to any questions that don't seem to fit the "politically correct" narrative.

Whilst i understand your thought process i along with others have differing views. Just last night i was having a discussion with my mother in law. When i attempted to present an alternative viewpoint she went mental and ranted for a further 10 minutes. All i had actually said was "playing devils advocate here".

It appears to me that those that shout the loudest for this movement are reluctant to consider how other people consider the issue and as such create division themselves.

 

This is the very first post of the man claiming he's being abused but only ever abuses people in retaliation ...

... an absolute hypocrite who can't see why people take offence with him

"You weren't getting enough attention in the other threads smug?

There's so much ****e in this thread it ****ing reeks, but I don't have time to get into it. Suffice to say that nobody is suggesting the actions of the police in Nigeria are motivated by racism, which is what these protests are about.

You don't know anything about this guy but you've decided an awful lot just because you're so ****ing wet that you can't handle a fella kneeling and putting his fist in the air. God the pearl clutching is utterly hilarious.

Oh, and you even say you feel attacked. Remember.... what, 2 days ago? When I said so many white people are bitching and moaning about being attacked rather than address the issues."

 

You mean that your twisted mind only allows you to see/interpret things in a way that allows you to, seemingly, self congratulate.

 

The OP was specifically about one particular question that, despite all of his endless posts, he's totally ignored and tried, time and again, to drag the discussion into his rigid agenda.

The question is quite simple so I'll repeat it, in good faith, to give him another chance.

Nigerian players, like Ndidi, are fighting for the cause, kneeling down and repeating their heartfelt BLM mantra, fair enough they're perfectly entitled but ...
... where are these courageous 'soldiers' when police from their own countries murder their countrymen in much greater numbers than America?

Do these black lives not matter?

 

Can we not stop this tit for tat arguments, lads

Even if questions can't be answered, and it's obvious why to some, it's still pointless pursuing something that's not going to happen, and in my view it's bordering on bullying someone into a corner with no way out without humiliation.

Sometimes people back themselves into corners, and perhaps that's what happened here, so maybe we should just drop it and let him out !

I may be completely wrong here, but this is how it seems to me. None of us are perfect, there is good and bad in everyone, and we should accept each others' faults, which reminds me of a lovely song (even though I've never liked Stevie Wonder) . . . .

 

He's not exactly helping himself tbf, keeps storming off them jumping back in ...

... but you do have a point so I'll just talk to other people.

 

Imho, he just never helps himself full stop!!

 

Like I said, I'm happy to answer dancing's post, but haven't had a chance.

Thanks Gordon, for stepping up and calling it what it is.

 

Good post Gordon as it pretty much sums up why there will never be an answer to this subject, at least in our life times anyway.

It's been around for thousands of years be it racial, religious, tribalist or even gingerist (although i can understand gingerism). At the end of the day we are so diversified as people that there is no single answer to the problem.

Whilst i'm sure that the protests felt like the right thing to the people involved at the time they got out of hand and in reality have probably done more harm than good when it comes to uniting people.

 

Albert Einstein is widely credited with saying (or would have if he was alive today), "The definition of insanity is posting not dissimilar arguments over and over again, but expecting different reactions."

 

100% agree with your post.

The OP was a very simple question yet no one has an answer because there isn't one, just human nature.

The momentum has drained away from BLM because common sense is replacing the hysteria with many people.

It'll be like looking back at teenage photos for some people ...

... a mixture of nostalgia for a misplaced ideology and more than a little embarrassment.

 

Good post but I somewhat disagree. If someone starts pontificating to others and is quick to point out flaws it's only reasonable to think some folk will go back at them. And while I'l happily admit I was in the wrong with my one post blast of '**** off' to kittens I haven't bullied him into no corner. I have made an attemtp to engage him on issues in a reasonable way and just been totally blanked, which I consider to be extremely ignorant behaviour. It has become obvious mittens has an agenda and is incapable or unwilling to answer any points raised and will cry on about being bullied instead. After all, no way am I getting his opinion on why BLM saw fit to not mention any issues of modern day slavery. Or how pulling down a statue changes the thinking of a neo nazi. Or that I see BLM as operating with a narrative of 'evil white racist'. Me not bending my knee isn't being racist, it's having serious issues with the tactics and effectiveness of the BLM movement.

Totally agree with none of us being perfect, but some folk definately think they operate in a morally superior plane of existence.

 

Great post!

 

BLM has also been outed as having engaged in various anti-Semitic stuff here in the UK. It’s just the same group of anti-Semitic SJW’s wearing a different badge. Like I said in an earlier post, I can understand the protests in the USA, but the ones here seem a bit opportunistic.

 

You didn't respond to this, fwiw.

Like I said @Sandy Camel, some people take issue when I post, then want me to respond to everything as if it's asked in good faith or else I don't have an answer. When you've given your position in great detail, as I did yesterday and have done multiple times, there comes a point where it helps nobody to keep having the same old arguments ad infinitum.

I tried to end that cycle and was then given more and more **** on here for not responding. Now I'm told I don't help myself by answering a question asked respectfully. Damned if I do...

 

Do none of you have any issue with Owld Feller? He makes almost zero effort to engage with the thread content, he just abuses and trolls me. You can all see this, right?

 

You're post actually began with "What an absolute mess."

This is where you keep going wrong, you start off responses with insults then insist all you want is reasonable debate.

The question is why African players stay quiet about police brutality and murders, of innocent people, in their own country yet so readily publicly wear the shirt/bend the knee/clench the fist for an American criminal.

It's hypocrisy and bandwagon jumping imo.

Asking me questions, in response, isn't answering that question, no matter how many words you post.

 

To be fair KM, you don't ever appear to take other peoples thoughts as being relative if they are opposed to your own.

lets get down to the basics when it comes to the George Floyd situation.

• If it had been a white copper and Floyd was white we would never have heard about it, just as if it was a black copper.

• The protests attracted the usual rent a crowd which actually caused more harm than good
• The right wing BLM have hijacked the entire thing for a totally different agenda
• More black Americans die at the hands of black Americans than any other race
• Black Americans commit a disproportionate % of violent crimes
• More white Americans live in poverty than black Americans
• More white Americans die in custody than black Americans

There are so many double standards being expected from the BLM movement that it's bordering on absurd. Can you see this at all?

 

I've had an issue with Owld Fella earlier on due to a difference of opinion. We move on and i respect his opinion as i'm sure he respects mine.