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Off Topic Lewis Hamilton

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by O'conner flood, Jul 5, 2020.

  1. Kittenmittons

    Kittenmittons Well-Known Member

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    It's not deflection. I'm pointing out that the two crimes falsely accused of in your analogy are of different levels, therefore falsely accusing them of them is different too.

    'It's like falsely accusing someone of parking in a disabled bay' would be equally ludicrous. But you specifically said it's like falsely accusing someone of rape. That's what I responded to.
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    And there it is, the totally predictable descent into grammatical nuance to avoid the point.

    You're absolutely hopeless at debate, 'lash out' or 'smokescreen' are your only two settings ...

    ... the reason you never manage to get your own points across.
     
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  3. Kittenmittons

    Kittenmittons Well-Known Member

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    What are you talking about? You posted that it was the same as falsely accusing someone of rape. I said it isn't. You asked for more. I gave it to you. We still disagree.

    The end.
     
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    No chance mate. Don’t forget you are 64 you haven’t got that much time left<laugh>
     
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  5. Sunderpitt

    Sunderpitt Well-Known Member

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    Of course this is not racism

    Two penalties for Hamilton
     
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  6. Nads

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    Both absolutely legit.
     
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    sick to death of this 'take a knee' stuff now. time to knock it on the head.
     
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  8. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Irrespective of the cause, it's truly pathetic ...

    ... the fact it's to honour an American criminal is quite embarrassing.

    It takes no courage to follow the sheep, but someone will have the courage to refuse.
     
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  9. Nads

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    Several of the drivers refused today Smug.
     
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  10. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Hamilton won't be pleased, he said he'd educate them all.

    Seriously, I don't watch F1 so this is really news to me.
     
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  11. cumbrianmackem

    cumbrianmackem Well-Known Member

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    I asked this question about a week age regards which footballer would have the balls to refuse this objectionable tribute.
    so far none have wandered from the flock. Not surprised.
     
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    I hope he’s last
     
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  13. clockstander

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    Racing, horses or cars are simply vehicles to help to relieve you of your money, little else.
     
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  14. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    And bandwagons are vehicles to help relieve you of your common sense ...
     
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  15. Sunderpitt

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    I have certainly fell off a few bandwagons in my time!
     
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  16. Confucius

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    Didn’t Mercedes, like most German companies at the time, employ slaves for the Nazi war effort ? Now it’s ok to take their money?
     
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  17. Kittenmittons

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    What an unreasonable bastard!
     
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    Sponsored by Hugo Boss, no less.

    However, I don't hold anyone currently alive responsible for things that happened 80 years ago. Erasing history will mean that we forget about it, though, and it will happen again. We're already seeing it.
     
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  19. Smug in Boots

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    Exactly, you can only live in the time and place into which you were born ...

    ... in reality there were a dozen Nazi maniacs who terrified and manipulated their own people.

    English slave traders also exploited the poor white people, who actually suffered because of the slaves taking their work.

    Why on earth would the English working class bear any responsibility?
     
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  20. haslam

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    As a driver Hamilton is one of the two best ever in my view. A lot gets made of having the best car but he's won a couple of those titles when having a disadvantage with his car compared to his rivals.

    That out of the way... he is outspoken with his views and I respect the fact that he puts his voice forward for what he believes in. As a prominent black driver in a mostly white sport I've little doubt he will have suffered from racism at times and has worked hard to get to where he is. I do think he overplays his hand a touch though, his father made big sacrifices to give him opportunity (he quit his job to support him) and instead of ever seemingly acknowledging some of this (from what I hear him say) he instead refers to growing up in slums (Stevenage...) and pays no tax to the UK. I just find him hard to respect due to that.

    That said he's right to call out issues where he sees them and I back his right to do so, he has been consistent with his message and has been willing to retract mistakes he's made in the past (nephew in a dress saga!) so i assume he's just looking for others to do the same. It's ok to make mistakes so long as you own them and improve.
     
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