Off Topic Coronavirus

This is my new beef too Stortford .
In our village, there are discarded masks and plastic gloves seemingly everywhere.

Why cannot you take them home or put them in the bin.

Washable masks...with a washable filter, full set for under a tenner..but I suppose that is too much bother

 

I just find it strange that people litter their own neighbourhood

People leaving crap all over a beach or mountainside probably don't care because they won't be back again

 

what other countries are on the self isolation list
can you still fly in from north and south America without the self isolation
and what checks are done that they are self isolating

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-travel-corridors#history

It’s a slightly random list you could argue.

In terms of checks I think it’s mostly promising to self-isolate as best you can before getting on the tube and doing some essential shopping.

 

My wife took up her employer's offer of a Covid-19 antibody test yesterday and just received a text confirming that she has had the virus. I had long though that everyone in our household had had a mild dose and this strengthens my suspicion that way more people have had the thing than we are led to believe.

Can I stop wearing this damned mask now?

 

No.

You may just have it RIGHT NOW

 

We all had it about three months ago mate.

 

Sure
Give it to someone that a mild dose for you might kill
Why the **** not

 

All those people with it right now might not have had it three months ago
And we wonder why this virus won't go away

 

If I had it three months ago I'm not infectious now.

 

Beth might tell us differently but I don't think anyone knows how long immunity if it exists lasts for

 

100% this. It's always a nice sweeping generalisation and effective soundbite to refer to the 'nanny state' and to blame so much 'loss of freedom' over the years on obsession with health and safety. If it were not for the twin facts that a significant number of our population ae so stupid that in another alternative universe they would have been put down at birth and so self-interested that they can and do create unnecessary jobs for the state by having to recruit and employ an army of people to clear up and look after them.

 

No. Until someone confirms absolutely that you having the antibody does not mean you will not carry and spread the virus to those you come into contact with. I have asked the question before but was told that we, ie 'the science' does not know.

 

Its just people in general, mate.
Every generation drops down a peg when it comes to being tidy, decent, kind to others.
Todays younger society are all about themselves.
They don't care about history, nor turning the other cheek and being nice to someone.

They want to punch your head in and then claim compensation for hurting their pinky.

In my years doing building maintenance on rentals, out of every 100 homes, 10 would be left dirty whilst the other 90 were clean and presentable.
Over the past 10-15 years, it has reversed ........... 90 trashed homes out of 100, 10 clean.

I walk into homes where the floor is littered with dirty nappies, food and general crap.
The kitchen benchtops are stacked high with dirty bowls and empty packets .............
.........and the tenant wants to tell me, "sorry, we didn't have time to clean up this morning."

Anyway, sorry for the rant but you are correct............. as you were.

 

Its definitely a claustrophobic thing, it's the feeling of being restricted affecting my breathing

 

This is true, but equally I don't believe there are any confirmed cases yet of anyone having had the virus twice.

 

Me and Mrs SM are 99% sure we've had it - I felt wiped out for two days, so pretty mild, whilst she lost all taste and smell for three weeks. This was at the beginning of April when these weren't symptoms that were being flagged for concern.

I'm fully recovered, but the wife has all sorts of post-viral symptoms - heart palpitations, muscle twitching, chronic fatigue, numbness down the left side of her body, daily headaches, the list goes on. And she's not alone, loads of post-Covid sufferers are reporting exactly the same months into their recovery.

How difficult is it to wear a mask to prevent this from being continually passed around. Multiple professions wear them as standard in their daily routine, so it's obviously not a health risk, so wht the outcry?

 

Yet
But just on the off chance it's worth sticking with the mask a bit longer

 

I'm sadly consuming more daytime TV than before as I tend to have lunch in front of the TV for 30 mins and as that isn't long enough to watch anything decent it'll be some endlessly repeated docusoap. Yesterday it was about crap tenants / landlords. I just couldn't believe the state of several places - one woman even had several young children. That amount of mess and damage to the property clearly hadn't been done in a day, a week, or probably even a month. Even my son in his teens had a tidier room.

Having to clear up somewhere like that would just make me angry lol

 

If you had it 3 months ago, you are not infectious now. The "infectability of the virus " the virologists say is about 14 days....about 5-7 days until you show symptoms and about a week after that.

This is a very different question Kiwi. This indicates you have raised antibodies to the virus, so it is a good marker that you have had it.

The question you ask is "are you immune?".
OK....if you raise antibodies you are probably immune (protected) or partially immune (partially protected). What I mean is that if the virus infects again, you will have only mild symptoms .
But how long do these antibodies last is the question that scientists do not know. There is evidence from China that they don't last long ( say3-6 months).....for herd immunity or a vaccine to work , we would like them to last year or 5 or better still a life time.

Now I am going to get heavy duty scientific, so new readers cut off her.
In your body you have things called memory B cells, these are white blood cells and they carry in them the apparatus to raise antibodies to any bad thing (pathogen) you have ever seen, they are at an incredibly low level ...but they are there, in nearly all of us. So when we see the pathogen a second time...the expand rapidly and start making the protective antibody again. So it is hoped that even if your antibody levels fall ( below detection levels) these memory B cells will still come to your aid

My reference to "detection levels" is also relevant. Our tests have a certain level of detection (in the chinese test is actually very poor). You may have really good antibodies but we can't detect them...with improving tests we will have new ideas of who has and who has not got antibodies...and we may see the antibodies last longer than the Chinese say they do

One final point:- not all antibodies are equal. Your body will make antibodies to the whole Covid19 virus, but not all antibodies will cause it to be killed. There are protective antibodies and there are more neutral antibodies. Some people will make protective antibodies which bind and cause killer T cells to destroy the virus...other may not, or to lesser degree...

And that is the point of testing the vaccine, all the vaccines will probably get the body to raise some sort of antibody response...we need the vaccine to make protective antibodies

Sorry if that is a bit heavy..