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Season review, what needs to be done and expectations

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  1. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    It was absolutely doing the round on Twitter about six months ago about how Levy should've offered lower wages out of the gate, which is the exact thing the Lunatic Fringe have been complaining about Levy not offering for years

    Same can be said for Toby's wages, which there's certainly been one or two on here querying that one...even though one or two others on here were demanding we pay him that last season
     
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    people might have queried wether a player is worth the wage he is offered or not.

    That doesn’t mean people have queried the wage structure. It’s about time it got up to speed with other clubs of our size and it has.
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

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    That's the thing: the criticism was that we offered him £120k p/w right out of the gate...which means they;re criticising Levy for doing what they said he should be doing

    I'm going to have to dig around for the tweets at the time, but they weren't criticising Ndombele for being lazy as that Narrative hadn't begun yet by any means, and it has to be said that if paying £120k p/w to someone who had injury problems at the time is an issue why weren't these same people howling about the significantly higher wages we pay to that other noted sicknote in our team Harry Kane?

    ...barring one former Not606er with a bizarre obsession with selling him, that is
     
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  4. Lovearsenalcock

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    Listen and learn

     
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  5. KingHotspur

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    Interesting watch

    I still can’t bring myself to ‘buy’ into him even though I like how important winning is to him. He reminds me of Zlatan and Cristiano Ronaldo with that desperation to be the best no matter what.
     
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    He's actually slightly low on his comment about Real Madrid not winning the Copa del Rey for 25 years before he won it with them.
    It was 28 years, rather unbelievably. That was against Barca at their peak too, I think:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Copa_del_Rey_Final
     
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    "Arsenal fans hate me."
    Yeah, some things haven't changed, Jose! <laugh>
     
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  8. Diego

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    And they are, is that a bad thing?

    sometimes it's good to have that mentality, it makes winners.
     
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  9. KingHotspur

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    It’s a great thing and the sort of mentality we need at Spurs
     
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  10. humanbeingincroydon

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    Yet it would never be allowed, as the long-established rules of double standards would punish us for it. Look at the most obvious examples

    Man Utd spent the best part of twenty years pulling Ryan Giggs out of internationals with made-up injuries, nobody bats an eye
    Spurs pull Gareth Bale out of the Olympics due to a very real injury, the pundits all accuse us of faking an injury so he won't play

    Countless players at Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea have a known reputation for diving, referees give them the benefit of the doubt every time
    Brendan Rodgers accuses Gareth Bale of diving, defenders were allowed to assault him for the rest of the season without a foul being called

    Man Utd and Chelsea have a habit of grinding out wins in spite playing badly, pundits say this is what makes them champions
    Spurs have a habit of grinding out wins in spite playing badly, pundits call us "unconvincing"

    Can you imagine what would happen if we adopted the machine gunning tactics the ubermensch deployed at his other clubs? It can be pretty much guaranteed that the first player who takes out a breaking opposition player would go straight in the book - yet when his Chelsea, Inter, Los Ladrones or Man Utd teams used the same methods, they were offered the courtesy of not having anyone booked until well into the second half

    And this extends beyond Spurs, too. After all remember the Narrative of the late 90s about what a dirty team Arsenal were, yet the Man Utd team of that era not only spent most of the game running around kicking people, but the pundits thought it was funny when Paul Scholes scythes down opposition players - something they defintely wouldn't do if Harry Winks did the exact same thing, as instead they'd be calling for his head
     
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    With the fans. Pundits don't mention it. Ever.
    They're heavily over-represented by ex-players, in the case of the first two clubs, who won't consider saying such things.
    See Keane, Evra and Neville in our recent match against Utd for a prime example.
    Fernandes dived. He admitted diving. They pretended otherwise.

    This is more of the same stuff, but I'm more inclined to blame the officials for this, honestly.
    There was no doubt in anyone's minds that Luis Suarez and Diego Costa were and are horrifically dirty players, by virtually any standard.
    Yet in the years that they spent in the Premier League, how many times were they sent off? None. Compare that to Son...
     
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    The pundits definitely kept bringing up Drogba's diving - and what makes that more obvious is how, at the time, the only pundits with a Chelsea connection were Graeme Le Saux or Gavin Peacock who were usually relegated to MOTD2 while two of Hansen/Lawrenson/Shearer got the prime MOTD slots, which is the only reason it ever came up. if he was playing for Liverpool or Arsenal, who provided most of their pundits at that time, there's no doubt they'd have turned a blind eye to it

    I can't remember who said it on Old606, but they said that while referees are supposed to remain impartial (although the word "ignorant" is more fitting) they absolutely are influenced by outside forces, and while managers and fans are the more obvious ones, pundits definitely deserve their share of blame for sowing a lot of seeds over the years
     
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    And a recent seed to be planted in the heads of certain fans is by a journalist claiming that Spurs and Liverpool among others objected to the newcastle takeover. So 1. why only mention two teams if there are others? Answer; to create hatred towards them. And 2. how irresponsible of said journalist and paper to publish the story as is, which just incites fans against the two mentioned clubs.
     
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    Zlatan Ibrahimovic:

    "You want to be a Winner everywhere you go?, then meet with the best manager in the world Jose Mourinho. He is a type of Manager that fears not, He is more like Zlatan. He does not fear the Club Boss, the Players, The Journalists.

    "The only thing He fears is to not deliver a Trophy for his Club. I won with him at Inter Milan, and when I was in PSG he gave me a call and said " don't you want to come over here at Manchester United, it's my first season here and everyone looks strange, the kit, the badge looks strange so if you come over we will help them win a Cup or two, your presence will give these
    players a big lift".

    "I said why not. When I get there It was a very young team that plays Europa League. I told them we are going to win, because Trophies respects Zlatan and Jose Mourinho. We won three or two Trophies that year and qualified for
    Champions League.

    "Jose and myself left the Club and they went back on winning nothing. So you must look out for Tottenham next season as Jose will start his first full season with them. "
     
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  15. The RDBD

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    Owners of said clubs are :

    1. Caucasian (ie "White" )
    2. UK/USA citizens (ie "western" )


    In current times, how can they NOT BE the only clubs to be targeted in
    said Narrative (TM) ... ??
     
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    <laugh>
     
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