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Off Topic "The Great Reset" hence the delusion of the masses

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Butthuber, Sep 24, 2020.

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  1. kiwiqpr

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    Why the insults? Unworthy.
     
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    Pot and kettle.
     
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    Getting a bit bullying this thread.......Surprised BH hasn’t bitten yet.
     
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    I’ve read much of this. We are all entitled to our opinions and most of us will defend anyone’s right to opine what they believe to be true.

    I don’t want to insult BH but he has provoked response to his theories, so here’s mine.

    I believe some people need something more than what might be the sad, often bland truth. Hence we have healing crystals, lay lines, tarot cards, astrology etc etc ....and conspiracy theories.

    For me, the bigger more pressing question, which seems to be unanswerable is, why can’t my team defend set pieces?
     
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    Not defending set pieces is indeed a question to consider
     
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    I bet if I were doing the same to Ellers I wouldn’t hear a peep out of either of you. But Ellers is just a repetitive annoying drone in the background, like tinnitus, when it comes to politics anyway; this bloke is a propaganda machine for a nasty, toxic ideology of fear.

    Butthubers stuff obviously appeals to your new libertarian, live free or die, we are in a police state principles, and you are welcome to stick up for him, and for those principles. But beware the whole package of what he represents.

    I am just exercising the right to freedom of speech, although I don’t think a football forum is the crucible of truth and neither is it the agora of ancient Athens (as that is apparently the one and only form of democracy - and one that was alarmingly susceptible to demagogic populists), and you are doing the same in criticising my use of it. I agree the insults are crass and boring, but Beth and Cologne have tried detailed and reasoned argument and have got insults and arrogance in response, I was just trying a different approach. Mockery and insult is a long recognised part of political interaction. Some ideologies, in my view, do not deserve the respect granted by debate, particularly those founded on creating fear and hatred in those prone to need explanations and people to blame for things they don’t understand. But if it upsets you so much I’ll leave it out. After all you are my friends in real life.

    Now, as my friends, rather than comment on my responses to Butthubers lengthy, repetitive and paranoiac cut and paste epics, I would really like to read what you think of his theories. The only part of them that matters is the idea that there is a secret cabal of incredibly powerful men controlling the world according to a shared plan. All the other stuff can be twisted and manipulated as events unfold.
     
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    What does 'sustainable development' mean ? I presume it to mean a form of development where we are not using the resources of 4 planets in order to live on one. Most conspiracy theories have a grain of truth about them - something which people can latch onto but then (upon closer analysis) rely upon a whole range of other conspiracy theories all rolled into one package - normally attacking everything which the perpetrator doesn't like. It may be true that we are heading for a resetting of the World's economy - because we cannot just go back to normal after Covid 19 - because it was 'normality' which got us into this mess in the first place. Covid 19 is a disease of globalization - had it happened 40 years ago it would have stayed in China. It was always obvious that if we live in an interconnected World where the amount of World trade and mobility is 400 times bigger than for the year of my birth (measured by ship's tonnage per day) that diseases would also become globalized. I do not consider it 'normal' that, at any moment in time, there are over a million people currently sitting in planes for journeys which are, mostly, unnecessary. Maybe we should be thinking about redefining what we consider as normality. It is true that during the Covid 19 crisis there was a time when the skies were silent, and where some countries were in danger of actually achieving their Co2 reduction targets for the year - and yes, it is true that some environmentalists have questioned what we want from a post Covid World - because simply going back to the same conditions which caused the crisis is not an option. Of course there are many diverse groups of people considering how they can use the Corona crisis in order to shape the World afterwards - but this is normal in times of crisis. But it is a completely different thing to suggest that the crisis was engineered for that purpose - in the way conspiracy theorists do. In order for Covid 19 to have been a man made crisis it would have been necessary for all World governments, and all health authorities (including China) to have been a part of one global conspiracy. When I see a chain of association which begins with natural doubts about Covid 19 ending up with a supposed conspiracy theory involving deliberate depopulation of the World's population by a hidden elite, and another one which involves Western European culture being diluted by alien migration then I start to have suspicions.
     
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    Butthubers theories are plainly nonsense, but he has at least been polite about it. Name-calling is fine for Ellers because that's the currency he deals in (smiley face, thumbs up, boogie man emojis).

    One sentence from your excellent post stands out to me...

    Some ideologies, in my view, do not deserve the respect granted by debate, particularly those founded on creating fear and hatred in those prone to need explanations and people to blame for things they don’t understand.

    Not an ideology of course, but this could be describing our government's ultimate response to the virus and those that might question its seriousness. No debate, create fear through propaganda and turn people against one another by seeking to blame.
     
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    To be fair mate, I’ve really not read much of it ‘cos it really doesn’t interest me that much and only skimmed through most of the replies to BH rather than what he says. Too busy reading up in EoL, ECGs and doing lots of running and weight training. I’m off this week and really will try to have a read (though no promises ‘cos got more ink planned as well).
    Promise I was only teasing ya (as a mate) ;)

    I could go on about ‘conspiracy theories’ and the history, possible truth and manipulation and the way some people are more susceptible to them.....but can’t be arsed as gym is booked for 11.

    Oh yeah, you were right about Ellers...except I’d probably join in ;)
     
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  11. Butthuber

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    Nobody has given me any detailed argument so far and insulting people has got nothing to do with the freedom of speech but only shows that you are in full emotion rather than talking facts. I have posted facts, you did not even post an opinion.

    By the way, if you continue to disturb this thread I will be voluntarily move on to the Corona thread again.
     
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    I will leave you and this thread alone now, because my friends don’t like my approach. You have posted no facts, just invention, supposition and lies, but I suspect that you don’t even realise that. You are being manipulated by people who don’t waste their time posting on 4chan, they get their minions to do it. I hope you get what you want out of it. And use lubrication.

    Oh, and the argument is - Ockham’s Razor.
     
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    A rough translation of ''disturbing this thread'' means - anyone who does not defer to Butthuber as the enlightened educator of the stupid unwashed masses ! Basically you just want your own private propaganda thread and anyone who counters that is a nuisance. Well - I will continue to be a nuisance, and I hope Stan does to.
     
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    Let´s have a summary of the points I have brought up so far.

    - The Climate Change & the Corona narratives had been setup by powerful people who are transforming especially the Western Societies.

    - They have branded this transformation "The Great Reset" (WEF) and/or "The Green Deal" (Politics & Media)

    - They intend to transform the highly industrialised western (US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Europe) countries into deindustrialised
    and decarbonised and shift the Economy to China by 2030 (United Nations Agenda 2030)

    - The deindustrialisation began 2015 with the unconditioned influx of mass migration, the decarbonisation and the decline in car manufacturers
    by talking people into the idea that CO2 is very bad and only electric vehicles would be an alternative.

    - By repeatedly closing borders or making journeys/travel highly unattractive this is leading to the total destruction of all dependent industries.
    This will eventually endanger the complete supply chain and we will se food shortages soon. On the other hand we can observe that the
    influx of migrants has not been stopped at all. Getting into a country seems to be possible, getting out of it does seem to create a problem
    though.

    - BLM, Greta, Extinction Rebellion and Antifa (to name only the few) have been setup by NGO´s. Those NGO´s have got nothing to do with a
    grass root movement. The NGO´s are highly financed by so called Philanthropist such as Sorros, Buffet, Gates and many other Billionares.

    - The idea is to abolish nation states. For that they need the influx of mass migration eventually leading to huge social problems and creating
    a big crisis. For this many countries had signed in 2019 the United Nations "Pact of Migration" where countries had commited themselves to
    legalise free movement without having to meet criteria of asylum.

    - One big goal is to achieve the United States of Europe and therefore they need to destroy nations through chaos. People are more or less
    happy living in the EU but they want to keep their national identity - this will be sacrificed now.

    ...that was only a summary about what has happened or is actually happening. Later today I will summarise what more changes we will have to expect.
     
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    I appreciate you are leaving and it is none of your business if I open up a thread or not since nobody pays a subscription fee here.

    Unfortunately you were not able to look up the official UN Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, ID2020, WEF etc. Sorry to say but you are intellectually below my radar.
     
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    Brilliant.

    Hey Strolls, he’s so polite isn’t he?

    Ok for old times sake.

    **** off.

    Byebye, Buttfucker.
     
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    Butthuber and the rest of you... You do realise that these cabal of the powerful running the world. Is one of the oldest myths in time. The Jews, The Templars, The illuminati, The Freemason, The order of Zion, The Superhuman of Thule... This myth has been around for centuries and centuries.
    When I have time I will write a missive on it... So you can all ignore it.

    Unfortunately it often ends in a massacre or genocide or something of that ilk...

    Which according to Butthuber maybe the purpose..
     
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    So, you can say that others are intellectually below you radar, yet they are guilty of insulting when they react ? You should go away and learn some manners and humility before accusing others.
     
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    Thank you Butthuber, intellectually there are a number of rather intellectually excellent people on here.
    Stan is one of them, maybe one day you will meet him.. And then repeat your jibe
     
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  20. Butthuber

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    I want to be precise what I meant by "not disturbing this thread". I am more than glad to exchange knowledge, discuss a topic and try to answer whenever possible. I do respect every other opinion but I do not accept people that are obviously not interested in that sort of communication I am asking for instead they either insult or provoke me.

    I want to discuss facts and everything that I have provided is a fact - no believes whatsoever.

    I quite liked the "flat earth" example yesterday. Some 400 years ago Galileo Galilei got almost killed by the catholic church for telling them the truth.
     
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