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Off Topic "The Great Reset" hence the delusion of the masses

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  1. Butthuber

    Butthuber Well-Known Member

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    Hello Beth, as a Forum Mod you are supposed to be impartal (MODerator = someone who makes certain that all the people are treated with the same standards).

    Where have you been when I had been insulted multiple times ? You only seem to show up if you believe I did something wrong. Even the poll you setup was pretentious.
    1. Yes...carry on it is entertaining
    2. No...this is beyond a joke
    Be assured that I would not want to meet a person like sb_73 since we are definetly playing in different leagues.
     
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  2. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    So now lets look at the inconsistencies in your narrative:

    1. Which powerfull people are you talking about and why should they (of all people) have an interest in establishing a state of Communism - which you have stated elsewhere is their end goal. As far as I am aware there has only ever been one attempt to draw together such opposites and that was the Nazi conspiracy theory which linked the Jews simultaneously both to predatory finance capitalist monopolism and to the rise of Bolshevism.

    2. Any so called economic shift to China could hardly be helped by Covid 19 starting there - in fact it was playing into Trump's hands completely. The result of Covid 19 will be that it will be very difficult for China to retain its dominant World position - no return to 'business as usual' for them.
    You should have a long look at your history books before commenting in this way - deindustrialization did not begin in 2015 - it began in the 1980s in most Western countries. It also had nothing to do with immigration - rather to do with free market thinking and cheaper Asian imports.

    3. By mass immigration I presume you mean the humane acceptance of those fleeing for their lives from wars we helped to start. It certainly hasn't been 'massive' in fact Germany has the infrastructure to absorb double the number who actually came - or is it more that it challenges your palingenic/monocultural idea of what the nation state should be ?

    4. The nation states have already lost much sovereignty because of globalization, free market thinking and privatization - the last of which has stripped countries of their resources. It is neo liberal free market thinking which is the biggest threat to sovereign states and this process has been happening over about the last 60 years - nothing to do with conspiracies it's a normal result of privatization and the tendency of money to accumulate in ever fewer hands - which is the logical consequence of unrestrained capitalism.
     
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    I hate to say I told you so......we all knew the Huber would bite at sometime, and bite he has.......now where’s my popcorn :)
     
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    1. There are 2 groups world wide that are trying to implement "their" way of a One World. Those 2 groups mainly consist of Freemasons of all religions, a progressive and a conservative group. There are actually 36 main logdes where they are organised. Those are not the ordinary lodges but Grand-Logdes such as "Hathor Pentalpha" (Members e.g. Gerhard Schröder, Joe Kaeser, Recep Erdogan, Nicolas Sarkozy and Tony Blair), "Golden Eurasia" (Members e.g. Angelika Merkel & Vladimir Putin), London based "Edmund Burke" (Members e.g. Lord Nathaniel Meyer Rothschild) and 33 more Grand Lodges.

    Those Grand Lodges are above the more or less known think tanks such as Bilderberger, Trilateral Commission, Council on
    Foreign Relations (CFR), Skulls & Bones, P2 Rotarier, Lions Club, The Round Table and so forth. Every major change we do see has been organised and agreed on on this level, our Governments are only the Executive doing what they have been told. As you can see in my example, Merkel and Putin are in the same Grand Lodge (most of the mighty people are members of one or more Grand Lodges) but for the masses they are playing Kabuki (theater) to keep them busy.

    We would have seen a One World already but since there are opposing interests this has not happend yet. That is why we see the orchestrated Democrats vs. Republicans, Left vs. Right etc.

    On top of those are families such as Warburg, Rothschild, Rockefeller, Harriman and a handful more of extremely rich and powerful people. Those are much more powerful than Gates, Sorros, Buffet etc. those are just the figureheads you will see in the Media but do not make the decisions.

    You are right are almost right that mighty groups financed both the "German Social Nationalists" and the "Bolsheviks". The Bolshevik revolution was meant for a world wide roll-out whereas Nazi Germany wanted to do the same (Socialism) but on a national scale. Hitler was an installed muppet of big finance as were Trotzki & Lenin. They (Big Finance) did not expect the "irrationality" of Stalin though as he was not interested in a world wide roll-out. Hilter was a socialist (not really a nationalist) as he also wanted to abolish private property. I must emphazise that the Globalists/Internationalists are not only Jews but do come from all countries with all religions. Those top figures couldn´t care less about countries and borders, they want the One World.

    2. You will have to follow capital flows in order to see where we are moving to. As said before, top politians do know each other through the Grand Lodges and Xi, Putin and Trump are playing in the same team. If you look closely then I can only see a selfdestruction of the US, nothing to really worry about in China. We will see Civil War in the US after the elections since neither side will accept the outcome of it.

    Rothschild has recently moved from London to China, Brexit was designed to enable London financial destrict taking part of the new options they obviously didn´t want to be part of the Green Deal which will tear Germany hence the EU apart.

    The countdown for the deindustrialisation started 2015 and not before that. After WWII Germany was intentionally set up as main power in Europe and now they (Globalists) are tearing it down again rebuilding it in China. Russia with it´s huge resources will be needed as well but the downfall of Europe and the US is finding it´s end - Pax Americana is done. Since the USD is the world currency we will first see the destruction of all other currencies (EURO will go bust first) and a major shift of capital flow to the US and eventually the breakdown too - time for central bank money (digital money).

    3. You are incorrectly marginalising the influx of migrants. Germany (tax payers money) has spent 100 billion EUR so far for the integration not to mention the money for social security. We have had an influx of 3 million people within 5 years and most of the people are still dependent on tax payers money. For next year the Minister of Finance has got a budget of another 48 billion EUR. This is "just" the financial implication not to mention the many social and religious problems that had occured during this time.

    Only few migrants fled from war most of them were and still are just looking for a better life. The same is now happening to the UK and only countries such as the Baltic States and Visegrád Group opposed that influx for the benifit of their own population. I am not opposed to migration but it needs to be balanced with rules for the new inhabitants and of course with prospects.

    The american political scientist, adviser and academic Samuel P. Huntington
    was quite clear about why those different civilizations will clash. Therefore he wrote the book "Clash of Civilizations" in 1996.
    Huntington offers six explanations for why civilizations will clash:

    1. Differences among civilizations are too basic in that civilizations are differentiated from each other by history, language, culture, tradition, and, most importantly, religion. These fundamental differences are the product of centuries and the foundations of different civilizations, meaning they will not be gone soon.
    2. The world is becoming a smaller place. As a result, interactions across the world are increasing, which intensify "civilization consciousness" and the awareness of differences between civilizations and commonalities within civilizations.
    3. Due to economic modernization and social change, people are separated from longstanding local identities. Instead, religion has replaced this gap, which provides a basis for identity and commitment that transcends national boundaries and unites civilizations.
    4. The growth of civilization-consciousness is enhanced by the dual role of the West. On the one hand, the West is at a peak of power. At the same time, a return-to-the-roots phenomenon is occurring among non-Western civilizations. A West at the peak of its power confronts non-Western countries that increasingly have the desire, the will and the resources to shape the world in non-Western ways.
    5. Cultural characteristics and differences are less mutable and hence less easily compromised and resolved than political and economic ones.
    6. Economic regionalism is increasing. Successful economic regionalism will reinforce civilization-consciousness. Economic regionalism may succeed only when it is rooted in a common civilization.
    I would also recommend to read Oswald Spenglers "The Decline of the West" which is a masterpiece and even more precise than Huntington as he compares the different Impires - and their breakdown.

    We already talked about Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi's book 'Practical Idealism' where he stated the following:


    The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian–Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals.

    Kalergi was heavilly financed by the Rothschilds and it is not a coincidence that Angelika Merkel received the Coudenhove-Kalergi Price in 2010. She opened up the doors unconditionally in 2015.

    4. I do agree - but I do not get your point here.
     
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    Not exactly popcorn but one of my all time favorites...

     
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    I didn't actually say anything at all about the sponsorship of Nazi Germany or of Lenin ! If the Rothschilds, or anyone else, were sponsoring the Russian Revolution I would be gratefull if you provided the evidence. As for Hitler - he spent most of his career trying to take the 'socialism' out of 'National Socialism' and his sponsorship was as a result of him doing that. I know that the original Nazi Party had a left wing which was in favour of socializing the economy - crystalizing around the Strasser brothers - but Hitler murdered nearly all the socialists in his party (this is what the night of the long knives was about) - this was in exchange for the sponsorship and support he needed from business leaders. Can you provide any evidence to suggest that the modern elites favour a system which would hand power over to the workers ? The thought is ludicrous.
    You also say that the new World order is about China taking over the World's economy - yet here you talk about all currencies disappearing and being replaced by the US Dollar - and of subsequent cash flow to the USA !
    As for deindustrialization - when did the Ruhrgebiet lose most of its heavy industries - you will find the process started in the 80s - not as suddenly as in the UK, but it is still a long drawn out process. This was as a result of many factors - cheapness of the same products such as coal and steel coming from Asia being the most important. How can you link this industrial decline to immigration ? In the UK most of the northern industrial towns were becoming depopulated by the 80s (Liverpool lost an estimated 200,000 population). It could well be that immigration stopped many areas of northern England from turning into ghost towns.
     
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    Pretentious (attempting to impress by affecting greater importance or merit than is actually possessed) no ...There was some irony in there ....but the vote has come out completely in your favour ...so well done the egg is on my face not yours....and I will take it down.

    I am sorry Butthuber but I have spent quite a few weeks ignoring requests from people for your posts to be taken down ...and before "sticks are thrown" they are not Cologne or Stan or any of the regulars. One ex-poster, a few weeks ago, said unless I banned you, they would leave and they have. So please do not say I pick on YOU. I also do not turn up when you have done something wrong I have been here every day, I do not always post. I only post when I can counter some of your arguments with facts that I actually know, other posts where I have no facts to counter with so I keep quiet


    I may pick on some of your posts that I feel are wrong, but surely that is my right of free speech, and if I am not allowed to do that as a mod, then I didn't read the small print of the job. You are entitled to call for my resignation any time you want, but then don't come running if someone has been rude to you
     
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    Let´s agree on the term "Big Finance" rather than picking any families which is not important at all. If you want to get in-depth information I would recommend to read the parts about the Russian Revolution and Stalin in William Guy Carr´s book "Pawns in the Game".

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils in Government/Communism/pawnsinthegame.pdf

    More important is the "Rakowskij-Protocol" on the interrogation of the Soviet ambassador Kristjan Jurjewitsch Rakovsky by the official
    the GPU Gabriel G. Kuzmin on January 26, 1938 in Moscow. (GPU = The State Political Directorate former KGB). That is one of the most exciting books I have come across and it tells you all about Communism and a lot about Stalin. Unfortunately it is in German which shouldn´t be a problem for you I guess.

    https://archive.org/download/Landow...wskyJosef-Rakowskij-protokoll195080S.Text.pdf

    Hitler already achieved his main goals before 1934 that is why his Operation Hummingbird or better known as Röhm Purge got rid of the SA as he did not want to start a revolution in Weimar. He got rid of all his internal opposition like what Stalin did with his socialist friends - no difference at all. But Hitler was heavil finance by Krupp and many other big names at that time - funny enough, even though Krupp had supported the Nazis he came out of this unharmed - he was well connected with Big Finance in the US and the UK.

    Where did I say that the modern elites favour a system which would hand power over to the workers - that is just what want to believe I said. The benevolent Billionares are not intending to hand over anything they are simply furthering the idea of world wide socialism to ignite a "World Revolution" which failed after Hilter & Mussolini decided to do almost the same but on a national scale - simple as that. Big Finance knows very well that every 70 - 80 years the current financial system is bound to crush - just call it Credit Crunch, a sudden reduction in the general availability of loans or a sudden tightening of the conditions required to obtain a loan from banks. Those people at the top do know that this is the time to create a "Great Reset" and they also need something so that they cannot be blamed - Climate Change & Corona. All the insurgencies that we can see these days are meant to obfuscate what is happening above our heads - devide and conquer.

    I did not say that the USD will take over I only said that the Dollar would go bust at the end like all Fiat Currencies. Rothschilds 1988 predicted in it´s magazine The Economist a New World Currency for 2018 and it is well known that they (Big Finance) never tell us the correct date but the correct message. This will be used by all countries of the World and it will be digital. The normal banks will either disappear completely or they will play their role as fintechs. Fintech is a term used to describe financial technology, an industry encompassing any kind of technology in financial services - from businesses to consumers. Fintech describes any company that provides financial services through software or other technology and includes anything from mobile payment apps to cryptocurrency. But the keyrole falls to the Central Banks. Everyone will get an account there (no ordinary bank accounts anymore). This leads us to the Modern Monetary Theory but right now I do not want to dig too deep into that topic. Generally speaking it is a Basic Income (unconditioned) and most people will fall for this trick since in 2 years time from now we will have unemployment rates of 80 - 90 %. I will talk about this maybe later this week.

    https://goldswitzerland.com/strong-gold-in-2018-vs-new-world-currency/

    Can you really imagine what a completely deindustrialised continent will mean ? I doubt that you have got the slightest notion what we will have to expect then. Millions of people just sitting around and watching the R´s (still on the telly) ? Please explain to me why German politians want shut down nuclear all theier power plants - the only reliable form of energy by far - whereas all the countries around us (Germans) are building new ones. I have attached the number of planned nuclear reactors in selected countries worldwide in July 2020 (in German). 44 new ones in China, 24 in Russia, 14 in India and even 2 in the UK - Statista is a very reliable source.

    https://de.statista.com/statistik/d...ten-atomkraftwerke-in-verschiedenen-laendern/
     
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    I had only asked for an unbiased opportunity to spread my thoughts and facts. It´s nothing personal.
     
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    You have ...on your thread... But equally other people have an equal opportunity to reply....but ( everyone) without being offensive...please
     
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    The first point which arises here is that you have a rather restricted view as to what Communism is. The idea of Communism did not start with Karl Marx - but started in that most left wing of all books the Bible. Up to around AD 1800 all texts advocating a communalistic way of life had come from religious sources. Even within Marxist ideology (I mean Marxist and not some variation of it) real Communism can only exist upon the erosion of the nation state and its breakdown into a confederation of communities organized on a voluntary basis and based on ownership either directly by the commune or by the workers themselves in the form of cooperatives. The mistake of Marxism is to presume that any state, once established, will subsequently relinquish power in this way - it has never happened. The idea that a state could organize its own erosion of powers in this way was always an illusion. An 'interim period of state control' became permanent, as was always going to happen. Real Communism does not begin with the nation state - it begins with the commune, hence the name. The USSR was never a Communist state - the closest we have come to this were the Anarcho communist regions during the Spanish civil war - which were suppressed with the help of Stalin.

    I truly think there might well be a reset of some sort because we cannot go back to the old normality which caused this problem in the first place. We cannot go back to the old 'normality' of having over a million people sitting in planes at any one time. We cannot go back to the old 'normality' of thinking we can use the resources of 4 planets when we only have one. We have to be thinking about the possibility of developing a post growth society - and I do not believe that alternative energy is the way (there I disagree with most Greens). We cannot provide a techno fix solution and give over the idea that we can produce the same as before, and consume the same as before just with different (so called) Co2 friendly technology because there is no such thing as Co2 friendly growth. Obviously there are people thinking about how they can change the World as a result of covid 19 - but this is a different thing to saying that the whole thing was engineered for that purpose.

    As for the basic conditional income - I am fully in favour of it. It shows your low image of mankind that you think people would spend all their time in front of the TV as a result of it. Far more would it help to release creative potential if the basic essentials of life are secured.
    A completely deindustrialized continent ? Has it escaped your notice that Europe has been deindustrializing for nearly a hundred years ? How many of the workforce worked in industrial production in 1900 - then compare that to 1950 and then to now. The percentage has been going down consistently over the whole period - yet we still have enough work around, just of a different sort.
     
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    No different to what happens regularly to Ellers on the Politics Thread imo.
     
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    I refer you to Stans earlier post (which you liked). He had a good description of Ellers...as did Strolls
     
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    Butthuber has repeatedly called those that don't agree with him morons, idiots etc.
     
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    Never sworn aggressively though like you, Stan and me do though.
     
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    who jumped ship
     
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    TeD
     
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    Ellers is his own worst enemy at times and I've told him as much.
    However, I stand by my statement.
     
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    Fair enough.....as I stand by mine
     
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    There once was a hooped poet called teD
    Who was a little confused in the head
    The rows over the years
    Left him with cauliflower ears
    Now he’s missing cos of what Butthuber said.
     
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