Off Topic The Politics Thread

Do you live in Oslo? If the answer is no and you live in the UK then you need to take a look at how a voting system works. cheers

 

Personally, I think a deal will be agreed, but maybe not until December. There's plenty of scope for compromise on fishing. The EU (France particularly) will get considerably reduced quotas, but Macron can sell it to his electorate on the grounds that a no deal meant no fishing from British waters at all, which would devastate the French fishing fleets on the north coast.

Common standards may be trickier. I can see the UK's position, wanting to be wholly independent. I can also see the EU's position, allowing the UK to have access to the Single market and then seeing them undercut their traders.

Something will be agreed because neither side can afford for there not to be. There's so much at stake, this was always likely to go down to the wire and so it shall.

 

I'm sure a late deal will be cobbled together almost as crap as the one Boris claimed was 'oven ready'. Both sides won't get what they want and we'll all wonder how the f*ck we've ended up with the shyte we've got...

 

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Tom Harwood
@tomhfh
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Oct 20

GOVE:

- EU was only willing to conduct negotiations on fewer than half the days available.

- EU refused to discuss legal texts in any area.

Direct rebuke to Barnier's weasel words.

 

why does it need an investigation
is it compulsory now

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Dinesh D'Souza
@DineshDSouza

Joe Biden sniffs little girls.
Hunter films himself smoking crack.
Toobin plays with his penis while on a business Zoom call.
Anthony Weiner shares photos of his wiener.
Bill Clinton is a known sex predator.
And these sickos say
@realdonaldtrump
’s conduct is inappropriate!

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Agent P

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@AgentP22

In 3 months time, the new SNP smoke alarm legislation is going to cost each household as much as £600.

How come nobody knew about it until leaflets came through our doors last week?

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Painful to see the number of stupid brainwashed Tory ****s laying into Burnham today for asking for people on minimum wage to be provided with 80% of their wages from a government that has spaffed billions on **** all.

 

yeah ok, well done Mr Gloom.

 

Yeah sorry I forgot to celebrate all the recent government successes.

Posts like this are a cop out. Defend the party you’re a member of if you like.

 

I think you are bored mate? I doubt many will be biting at your opening post. Get over to the joke thread and cheer yourself up a bit.

 

The only joke is this government at the moment

 

Except nobody is laughing.

 

EU carmakers call on Brussels to ‘reconsider’ Brexit stance
Auto manufacturers seek less onerous restrictions on qualifying for trade deal benefits
https://www.ft.com/content/720671e0-52f4-40b2-b17b-f34518ca4de8

Europe’s car manufacturers have called on Brussels to take a less restrictive stance on future market access to the UK, warning that aspects of the bloc’s current position are “not in the long-term interests of the EU automotive industry”. The letter from the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association (ACEA) — a group that represents companies including BMW, Toyota and Fiat — urges Brussels to “reconsider its position” on rules for determining whether goods will qualify for tariff-free trade. The group’s specific demands include that the EU should lower the percentage of components in a car that must be either European or British for the vehicle to qualify for the benefits of any EU-UK trade deal. ACEA is also seeking a “phase-in period” of these new rules to help industry adapt to the changed business environment. The letter, sent on October 15 and seen by the Financial Times, is a sign of how key EU industries are concerned about the potential economic fallout of Brussels’ approach to the negotiations. EU-UK talks remain on ice following demands from UK prime minister Boris Johnson for a “fundamental” change of approach, but there is widespread hope in Brussels that they will soon be up and running again. Both sides’ stated goal remains an agreement providing tariff-free, quota-free trade on all goods. But Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, has said that businesses should be prepared to accept “short-term adaptation costs” in the name of protecting the bloc’s “long-term economic interests”. He has been adamant that the EU should not sugar-coat Britain’s decision to leave the EU single market and customs union, and has questioned whether the bloc should allow the UK to retain the “prominent position” on the EU market that it currently enjoys. The hardline stance is prompting increasingly urgent warnings from companies about the potential economic consequences for Europe of weaker trade ties. In June, more than 50 food and drink trade associations from the EU and UK wrote to Brussels urging it to take a more “flexible” approach to future arrangements, warning that a tariff-free trade agreement will be “meaningless” unless measures are taken to ensure companies can take advantage of zero-tariff rates. ACEA confirmed the authenticity of the letter when contacted by the FT. The European Commission confirmed receipt of the letter but declined to comment beyond previous statements made by Mr Barnier. The so-called rules of origin in a future EU-UK trade deal are a particular cause of concern for different EU industries. These rules — a standard feature of trade agreements — establish the extent to which a company can source components from different parts of the world while still counting the finished product as European, and so eligible for the tariff-reduction benefits that a trade deal offers. Recommended Robert Shrimsley Brexit Britain adopts the Microsoft model Britain entered future-relationship talks with the EU seeking arrangements that would allow companies to count all EU and UK content as local, as well as content from other countries with which Britain and Brussels both had trade deals — such as Japan. But Brussels resisted including goods from other trade partners in the arrangement. The EU has also pushed a more restrictive line on how much foreign content is allowed — part of a strategy to prevent Brexit Britain from becoming a manufacturing assembly hub for the EU market. Brussels has proposed that non-UK/non-EU content be limited to 45 per cent of the car, a figure ACEA wants pushed up to 50 per cent “in line with the UK’s position”. It argues in the letter that technological advances, such as self-driving cars, will require companies to seek out “hardware, firmware and software” from abroad, even as manufacturers invest themselves in developing new technology. ACEA is also requesting “a phase-in period” that allows greater use of non-local components for a limited time. “Brexit is a unique and unprecedented situation that creates new barriers in the shape of rules of origin where none existed before,” the association said in the letter. “Long-term supplier contracts bind manufacturers to specific suppliers for many years and this should be taken into account in the FTA,” ACEA added. Other concerns set out in the letter cover the approach for calculating whether rules of origin are met, as well as how these rules should be applied to batteries.

 

I think deep down you just know there’s no defence so this is all you can come back with rather than address the point.

 

Standard procedure I'm afraid.

 

but Starmer!!!

 

Must admit, I had no idea on this legislation - but it's been delayed for two years...


Scottish government delay smoke alarm legislation until 2022

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54621068

 

False alarm.