Off Topic Kier Starmer Labour Leader

"Mr Starmer was head of the CPS when the decision was made not to prosecute Savile but he was not the reviewing lawyer for the case."

So he was at the CPS but he did not say Saville should not be prosecuted

 

I am sure I saw some comment from a Corbynite along the lines of claiming that these anti-Semitism accusations were all just a Jewish conspiracy. Said without irony.

 

Found it: https://www.jpost.com/international/corbyn-supporters-criticism-is-a-zionist-conspiracy-565158

Yes - just a Zionist conspiracy this anti-Semitism stuff.

 

Labour has suspended former leader Jeremy Corbyn after an inquiry found the party was "responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination" during his time in charge.

The UK's human rights watchdog also his office had "politically interfered" in the complaints process.

In a statement afterwards, Mr Corbyn said anti-Semitism within Labour had been "dramatically overstated".

Labour then said it was suspending him for a "failure to retract" his remarks.

 

It's no use Starmer being all sanctimonious now. Less than two years ago he was blaming the press for holding a witch hunt. He also said that those inside the labour party complaining of the anti semitism they were finding were part of the problem. And so on.

Starmer wears an impeccable suit, and like a good metropolitan Human Rights lawyer, knows which words to choose and when to choose them. Which is why it is more informative to bear in mind his utterances from a time when he could speak his mind, before he was in politics in the way he is now.

" I see all immigration control as racist". " I'm not sure I see a role for the police in society"

Etc.... There are mountains of on the record stuff like this he will have to defend down the line, while he pretends to be " centrist" . He is nothing of the kind if his past , quoted, opinions are anything to go by.

He does though have a remarkable ability to look both ways at once, which will work for only so long, though it's a pity he didn't use thus talent when he ran a bloke on a scooter over earlier in the week while he was in his car on the wrong side of the road.

 

Bloke wasn't Jewish was he.

 

Some other bloke with a dodgy little tache spoke about a world Jewish conspiracy as well. That didn’t end too well either.

 

I know one M P who got his manifestos caught in a lift !.

 

You are describing a consumate politician... playing the game...

 

There are a great many loyal, lifelong Labour supporters, some on here, who believed what their Party told them.
That doesn't make them either stupid or anti-semitic.

BUT, this whole sorry issue should serve as a warning that not EVERY word that comes from ANY Political Party is likely to be 100% honest and true.

The lesson to be learned is not to take every word on trust just becase that's what you have always done.
THINK for yourself and make your own judgement.

 

I'm not sure he is one though. He's slippery for certain, but that's not enough.

 

True enough , you have to weigh their words.

But this is a bit of a different thing really. I was in the Labour Party some moons ago, and quite active. Back then there was the endless babbling on about Palestine and other matters which did not have any traction with the public, but no overt ant semitism.

But the party is awash with people who hold these views and this has been covered up for years now.

I have an old friend from back then who had to resign from the party after being spat on at a meeting in Hackney by a number of fanatics a year or so ago. She had been a member for nearly forty years. These people are the foot soldiers, and though they are not at the top now they haven't gone away.

 

As far as credible politicians go this country is in a right ****ing mess

 

Fanatics of any hue are usually bonkers, the end justifies the means etc.

My own view, for what it is worth, the plight of the Palestinians is always going to be a source of grief and conflict. Until the present POTUS and PM of Israel disappear into the mists of time and a 2 state solution is brought about. The US will not always be cock o' the walk.

It may also be true that expelling Corbyn, whilst retaining some of his policies, eg nationalise rail, but be the best move to get back into government.

 

Much as I have little faith in Politicians in general, Sir Kier has impressed me, so far.

'The Palistine Problem' though looks to me to be insoluable and I couldn't citicise anybody for trying to find a solution.
However recent Peace/Trade deals between Isreal and both Sudan and UAE just might show some glimmer of light to a way forward.
Hope costs nowt.

 

Can you imagine any of today’s politicians running a company which had to make money of it’s own bat and any of the workforce taking them seriously and they run the country, god help us.

 

And yet there are quite a few people in favour of Nationalising quite a few industries.

And when you see how Railways are run, they may have a point, except for the fact that they (the Railways), were rubbish when they were Nationalised too.

(Side issue.
Over the last ten years I have suffered two Electricity power cuts.
My feeling is that when they were Nationalised I suffered far more.
But even taking inflation into account I feel that it now costs more.
For ME, this is a worthwhile trade off but thats personal view).

 

Yes feather bedding etc of nationalised industries is a problem... (of management?)

On the other hand as a businessman I would love to run a monopoly... lots of profits, crap service and charge high for it.

Look at water, the French own chunks of it, lots of leaks and big dividends to the frogs.

I also reckon power provision and competition is non existing.

 

Starmer is making all the right noises and he could actually sway me because of how this current government are performing. He needs to clear the decks first and so far he's pretty much only talked in hindsight and changed his views to suit the present general feeling. Until he's showed some foresight and stops swaying to and fro to please his electorate I'll be reserved on him. He's potentially the best they've had in a while, though.

 

When the East Coast Line was under government control, it was well ran and making a profit.
These days there is a general trend of careers switching between public and private to attain a rounded skills set, so I don’t think the old nest feathering or bloated services should be an issue as it was decades past.