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Matchday: City v Luton Town

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by Supcon72, Dec 29, 2020.

  1. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    It's hard to disagree with this, but I'll try!
    I don't know the Lansdowns, but I just can't believe that SL simply doesn't care about Bristol City competing at the highest level.
    However, I CAN believe that he is very (OVER) cautious about relinquishing control to a proven manager that would really boost our chances - particularly regarding the manager.
    I believe that money for a manager is NOT the issue - there seems to be money in abundance to pay for the likes of Palmer - or dare I say it Diony, but when it comes to managers we go for untried or comparatively inexperienced coaches rather than a manager with a pedigree and all the interest in the football world that would attract.
    Therefore, I believe that maintaining CONTROL is the most important factor for Steve L. He seems to be reluctant to appoint anyone with their own independent ideas. I might be wrong but that is certainly what it looks like.
    We ALL know that football is awash with obscene amounts of money and some clubs have crashed and burned spectacularly, trying to spend to compete with the big boys. Comparisons with the rugby aren't fair because there's far less money flying around.
    In short; I think SL DOES want the Prem, but he likes keeping control of his money more, so is prepared to sit it out for as long as it takes for HIS methods to succeed. In the meantime, he can replace the manager with a 'like for like' when the fans get too vocal!
     
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  2. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    You made a point about Southampton, the wealthiest clubs in Europe and I responded with a list of Europe's wealthiest clubs and a question. You have still not answered why should Southampton be one of the wealthiest clubs in Europe?

    Southampton's academy was fundamental in its advance as a club. It has produced players for its promotion gaining teams and players progressing from its academy have been sold for huge sums which was invested into new players. In 2015 ninety million pounds was raised for its team from sales of developed players and the following season Southampton qualified for Europe.

    Swansea's academy was fundamental in its success and promotion through the leagues. It was a excellent model of development where players skillsets were developed for long terms to meet the teams needs - pass and move, high press, technique first x a coach in Brendan Rogers employing true modern coaching philosophy - identity, model of play and recruiting only to the model. Managers employed had to adhere to the principles (playing) of the club.

    Brentford do not have a academy. They are a parallel to BCFC. They are doing better with far less resource. Again Brentford recruit to a model. They do not waste millions buying clubs in the bag.
     
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  3. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    Plenty of teams in lower leagues, and some, like Bury, who are not even competing any more (or at least not at the moment) have achieved more than us. Which makes it even more galling that we can't, or maybe don't want to be big achievers.
    Teams in lower leagues that have historically achieved more than us are the likes of Bolton, Blackpool, Sunderland, Portsmouth, Ipswich, Hull, Charlton, Wigan, Swindon, Bradford etc
     
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  4. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    I'm constantly reminded about Swindon.
    We must be the most underachieving club in the whole of the UK.
    Bristol IS the biggest town/city in the UK never to have had a team in the Premiership.......:(
     
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  5. Red Alert

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    Weve just missed out on the annual reminder of a footballing lesson from Brentford!!! a club in size a bit like evil roundabout fc.
     
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  6. Angelicnumber16

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    And the worst thing is, I can't ever see it changing under the current regime.
    When you consider the size of this city and outlying districts, plus those who come from Dorchester and Wales, and what could be in terms of attendances, plus the stadium and set up it's just really embarrassing compared to those much smaller places who've succeeded by having long stays in the Prem like Wigan, and Burnley
     
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    the worst thing is how bad the football is to watch.

    10k ground Brentford and selling their best players every season have scored 70 goals or more in five of their six Championship seasons!!! They consistently entertain !!!
     
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  8. oneforthebristolcity

    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    I agree with that!! A good owner, but in team affairs seems too involved and requires managers/coaches willing to use his influences!!
     
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  9. oneforthebristolcity

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    That is a lot of interesting waffle in regards to academies. But we are not really parallel to anyone. Our success compared to most you have mentioned are non existent. Compared to All prem clubs, most of Champ clubs and a good slice of League 1....our history of success is abysmal for the size of the City.
    Clubs like Southampton (although nearly went bust, even with academy in place) and more recently Swansea have had years of success to build on...we have had nothing in comparison.
    Maybe it's SL's Job, to come out of his comfort zone, organise and direct an identity for the club and appoint managers like a Brendan Rogers to adhere to.
    Just sacking LJ IMO was never the only answer.
     
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  10. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    Thank you.

    Of course Bristol City can be paralleled to other clubs. Bristol City shares the same leagues and the parallels are competitors.

    Yes. The achievements are modest. Bristol City are being outperformed by clubs of equal standing in recent history and by clubs with smaller resources now.

    Sorry but Swansea rose from the fourth division and surpassed Bristol City.

    Yes Southampton nearly went bust (that is not years of success), were taken over by Marcus Liebher who appointed people like Les Reid (ex fa technical director) to implement a vision of developing local talent, playing style and development to be headed by coaches like Adkins then Pochettino. And they rose from the third tier and surpassed Bristol City.

    Sacking Lee Johnson - Early in his tenure he outlined aims he didn't have the skills to live up to.

    The club post Johnson needs reframing. Mr Holden may do well, or not. What I hope to see is that the club starts to adopt behaviours that are more likely to progress the teams position - Recruitment and constantly changing styles of play are areas to address.

    I hope also that the football is easier on the eyes. Intend to entertain.
     
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  11. oneforthebristolcity

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    They have been tinkering with the top flight for decades................ever since I've been following football..................Unlike City's couple of years dabble!!
     
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