Off Topic Coronavirus

Not sure how many more times this one has to be debunked.

 

I'm not revelling in it, I have friends in Cyprus, Spain and Italy and they're really under far stricter regimes than we are here and have no idea when their vaccines will be done. A government's first duty is to it's citizens and these countries are finding that they are locked into something that dilutes their response by x27.

My Cypriot friends have said their government may also look to Russia as there is a large Russian ex-pat community there and Russian money basically kept them afloat during the crash in 2008. When things like this happen most countries will do anything to jump the queue, Germany already did it with the first batches, whatever happens from here on trust is going to be in short supply...

 

We could have done exactly the same from from within the EU.

 

But would we have done?
The answer is no.
Look, you and others will never agree so let's just agree to differ.

 

You're wasting your time mate.
The EU cult members on here simply won't have it, even though the EU haven't even passed all the vaccines yet and the sculduggery you describe is plain to see.

 

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-vaccine-brexit/

If anyone is actually arsed rather than perpetuating some weird gammon myth.

 

The answer is yes Col...why...


Because the most easy to produce and the most easy to use vaccine is the Oxford vaccine. UK government gambled that they would produce a viable vaccine in good time ( which they did)

Because the vaccination regulation board before was based in the UK...yes many members were EU , but the solid knowledge was based in this country.

The two things together gave us a head start.

And we could have and would have done it with or without Brexit..
This is not a EU problem..any of the EU countries could have gone alone..

 

But they didn't.

 

Oh well, if that paragon of impartiality Fullfact say it, it must be true.

 

Germany did

Germany’s bilateral order with local pharmaceutical company could strain relations with other member states as the race to sweep up vaccines heats up.

 

You only have to ask for a spade, mate. It’ll make the digging easier.

 

Oh, for ****'s sake.

 

Moderna vaccine appears to work against variants
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Health editor, BBC News online

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Moderna's Covid vaccine appears to work against new, more infectious variants of the pandemic virus found in the UK and South Africa, say scientists from the US pharmaceutical company.

Early laboratory tests suggest antibodies triggered by the vaccine can recognise and fight the new variants.

More studies are needed to confirm this is true for people who have been vaccinated.

The new variants have been spreading fast in a number of nations.

They have undergone changes or mutations that mean they can infect human cells more easily than the original version of coronavirus that started the pandemic.

Experts think the UK strain, which emerged in September, may be up to 70% more transmissible.

• How worrying are the South Africa and UK variants?

Current vaccines were designed around earlier variants, but scientists believe they should still work against the new ones, although perhaps not quite as well. There are already some early results that suggest the Pfizer vaccine protects against the new UK variant.

For the Moderna study, researchers looked at blood samples taken from eight people who had received the recommended two doses of the Moderna vaccine.

The findings are yet to be peer reviewed, but suggest immunity from the vaccine recognises the new variants.

Neutralising antibodies, made by the body's immune system, stop the virus from entering cells.

Blood samples exposed to the new variants appeared to have sufficient antibodies to achieve this neutralising effect, although it was not as strong for the South Africa variant as for the UK one.

Moderna says this could mean that protection against the South Africa variant might disappear more quickly.

Prof Lawrence Young, a virus expert at Warwick Medical School in the UK, said this would be concerning.

media captionBBC health and science journalist Laura Foster compares the three different Covid-19 vaccines
Moderna is currently testing whether giving a third booster shot might be beneficial.

Like other scientists, the company is also investigating whether redesigning the vaccine to be a better match for the new variants will be beneficial.

Stephane Bancel, chief executive officer of Moderna, said the company believed it was "imperative to be proactive as the virus evolves".

UK regulators have already approved Moderna's vaccine for rollout on the NHS, but the 17m pre-ordered doses are not expected to arrive until Spring.

The vaccine works in a similar way to the Pfizer one already being used in the UK.

More than 6.3 million people in the UK have already received a first dose of either the Pfizer or the AstraZeneca vaccine.

 

TBH some voices on here said that due to Brexit and not signing up to that agreement it would be detrimental? It hasn't been and thank f22k we didn't get involved in it! Those voices were wrong and have fallen silent. adding to that, voices in the EU also criticised us for not being involved. They were also wrong.

Beth is correct Germany ordered some 70m? vials without EU knowledge and an argument ensued. Just goes to show what happens if you try things at a local level in the EU?

Today I saw a European report how many states were running around like headless chickens and contacting the pharmaceutical companies demanding why the UK can get the vials and they can't? This was partly due to fab work by our government and the quick acceptance of the drug. They went on to say the the roll out of the drug has been nothing short of a disaster for the EU.

I believe if we were still in the EU we would never had the same roll-out success. This has nothing to do with us/them or bloody Brexit but how well the government has handled the roll-out. I hope that we all get this bloody thing sorted, the quicker the better.
I posted something about how well we were doing yesterday and was castigated by the usual suspects. Maybe they can't accept the government has played this well?

 

What a strange debate over vaccination and being in the EU or not. Quite irrelevant really.

 

You’ve said more or less this same rant multiple times now. Everyone knows the rollout is good news. Everyone is happy it’s not been outsourced to a bloke Dominic Raab used to play soggy biscuit with. Well done our dear leaders. Perhaps they could display some accountability for all the negligence leading to 100,000 deaths.

 

The EU are now trying to ban some exports of the vaccine from Europe to the UK.

Still, just blindly support everything they do eh?

 

Always the victim.

No, on the face of it that’s wrong of ‘them’ as a business should be ‘free’ to sell to whoever it wants whether that’s the highest bidder or just whoever fancies it, though it’s a bit more complicated, unsurprisingly.

Many governments, including ours, and the EU have pumped huge sums into the vaccine development for AZ and others to get to where it has so quickly. I’m sure we’d all be a bit miffed if our government had funded a vaccine which had supply issues costing lives here and we were seeing it exported to France and reneging on a timeline we’d agreed in the process.

 

How much money did the EU invest into the AtraZenica drug?

 

mmm I meant to mention that they were thinking about this yesterday. I would only say that the government seemed confident that we would get the vials especially as I believe we have thrown lots of money into the drug. It would not be a good look if the company didn't. supply us with the amount agreed? A good reason that we need to produce more stuff here.