Coronavirus: Please use this thread for all COVID19 talk!

I read that Chesterfield's first team most vulnerable players got vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine which was going to expire within an hour. Unfortunately the nurses got dogs abuse for it.

 

Like Godders I had side effects to the Oxford vaccine. Never had side effects to a vaccination before. About 4 hours after the jab it felt like my legs had been knocked out from under me....chills, headache, nausea and aches. According to leaflet 1 in 10 people will get it. Really looking forward to the 2nd one

 

People seem to be getting more side effects from the AZ one for some reason. I had nothing but sore arm from Pfizer, though I don't know if my age means I'm less likely to.

 

Oh goodie...apparently worse after 2nd dose.

 

My friend, who had the Pfizer, only had a sore arm after the first jab, but after the second she, and some GPs in the trust she works for, suffered severe headaches and were wiped out for a couple of days.
Having said that, they had the second jab after 3 weeks so it might not be such a severe reaction after 12 weeks.
Regarding age, my friend is in her 30s.

 

I had the Oxford AZ vaccine yesterday, and after a couple of hours felt a bit feverish, so took a couple of paracetamol, which soon worked, and I felt fine again.

 

Have you all heard the alcohol thing.

Apparently you shouldn't drink 2 days before and 1-2 days after? Could be BS, as Mrs No7 told me and she

a) Reads comics not news

b) Always tries to stop me drinking

 

Why not let her have this one mate?

 

The reason I know she may be fibbing is that she originally said 2-3 weeks before and after and when I complained we got it down to 1-2 days.

I said can I barter in the hospital too for the second jab?

 

Maybe Mrs No7 mentioned no alcohol to stop you from singing

 

WHO say exactly what the Chinese would like them to say shocker.

 

I mean, the WHO is also saying what all evidence suggests is correct. There isn't any reason to believe this originated from a lab in Wuhan, beyond the fact that the Chinese have a lab in Wuhan. The naturally-occurring animal-to-human pathway for coronaviruses is hardly novel, and has sprung up in multiple countries previous.

 

Whole school told to start stockpiling food and water today. So that’s been ****ing cool. Always nice when your employer is reminding you to start panic buying.

We’re heading into real grownup lockdown very soon. None of this kids in school, you can freely go about your day ****. We’re getting the “Where are your transit papers? You’re off to the gulag.”-type lockdown.

 

And the foregrounding of the "China imported it in frozen meat" angle was nothing to do with Chinese pressure at all. Did you watch the press conference?

 

I know someone who states the word on the street , is that a Wuhan laboratory left the door open .

Hard to prove or disprove .

Why though did the Chinese make is SOOO difficult for scientists to get even close to the alleged leak of the Virus ?

FWIW I would take the word of someone I KNOW , over ANYTHING the WHO put out about this !

 

How does the 'word on the street' know so much about the inner workings of Chinese biolaboratories?

In general, these things always devolve into conspiracy theories because people find the idea that it was human-caused comforting: if you stop the bad people from their evil activities, it won't happen again. In reality, while there is a human element (the existence of wet markets, or the eating of primates with ebola, etc), viruses are going to evolve and mutate regardless of human activity, and some of those will reach pandemic levels. There are absolutely means to mitigate that, but it's still a process we very much do not control.

Not necessarily imported, but yeah. All evidence points to it emerging at the wet market, which is a well-known risk factor for animal-to-human transmission. Whether the animal from which it emerged was Chinese in origin or not really isn't particularly pertinent, save for some people wanting to blame national governments for the actions of a virus within a small mammal. We rarely know with any confidence what country the animal in question would have had stamped on its passport if the animals cared about such things. The 2009 swine flu has been traced back to Mexico, but it's entirely possible that the animal that introduced the strain to Mexico was imported. We simply lack the precision to answer those questions.

 

Similarly: the UK variant is a threat because it represents a number of mutations rather than a single one, most of which changed the nature of the spike protein to make the virus more transmissible and more deadly than other variants. It seems to be rare for a virus that was relatively stable genetically to change that dramatically in a single step: should we thus speculate that there is something particularly sinister about its point of origin? It's been traced to Kent, at least for now; is there perhaps reason to believe that the British have done something to unleash this on the world? There are laboratories in Kent. It would be irresponsible not to speculate!

 

So you don't think a nation like China should be held accountable if it's food treatment and animal treatment is responsible for global issues. The UK was rightly held to account for mad cow disease. This is not looking for someone to blame but making sure if there is culpability there is accountability too. China's treatment of animals has long been deplorable and their part in the shark fin and rhino horn industries are revolting. Live animal markets which bring wild animals from local caves into human areas are an unacceptable risk which China needs to control.

China has totally stage managed this WHO investigation. But for some reason if the Chinese do it is okay even though you cannot stand Trump or Johnson doing the same thing.

 

And yet there are posts from you on this forum saying of the UK does not lock down properly and the disease mutates it is the UK's fault. You in fact posted this several times at the start of the pandemic. So...

 

I absolutely believe that China needs to take action on the food-management front. The wet markets, which feature a huge number of animals both domestic and imported, are a huge vector for disease, and a well-studied one. And part of my concern here is that the focus shifts from that, which is necessary and important, to conspiracies about biolaboratories which are unlikely to be at all meaningful.

I absolutely said that if countries do not act swiftly to limit the chances of the disease to mutate, it will likely become more virulent and more deadly. That doesn't just apply to the UK, though: a whole bunch of other countries have also been totally negligent, and the fact that the new dominant variant emerged in the UK and not the US or Belgium or Mexico is largely random chance.

But again, there's a big difference between citing failures to act and suggesting that there's malicious intent.