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BREAKING NEWS: EUROPEAN SUPER LEAGUE

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  1. Tobes

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    PSG want no part of it.

    City aren’t involved either according to some reports.

    The German clubs are essentially fan controlled and they’re defo not having it.

    It’s a dogshit idea that’s driven by greed and nothing else. They don’t even really want it, what they want is to squeeze UEFA’s nuts to ensure they get a guaranteed annual CL place.
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Yes its all crass, but I just think the timing is quite interesting given tomorrow is uefa's proposal for feeding these clubs even more cash and opportunity for who they are.

    It would be interesting to see if the premier league panics and breaks with the equal share plus performance model to keep them on board.

    some are mentioning city. If there are 6 english clubs and city are not one then it'd be a shock as it would then leave either your club or leicester as options. even west ham as a never were couldn't surely be involved lol.

    I agree on the german clubs (bar leipzig) would never vote for it but you could contend the spanish clubs would be similar.

    So I agree as above, its about squeezing more out of UEFA.
     
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    Will they **** as like.

    I hope they give them all a points deduction.
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

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    for what :)

    seriously though, the golden goose is all that's keeping clubs afloat. in 1992 the football league couldn't stop things any more than the premier league can now. giving a points deduction to 6 clubs would just trigger an even bigger crisis for the premier league who are flapping already.

    the primary endpoint seems to be targeting uefa CL because multiple nations are involved but there is a discussion in the end on when the CL is bastardised into this league format, guess what? next thing even more money is needed to "compete" and then more bal squeezing is required.


    Frankly i like the CL as it is as we can get to the knockouts and get a few spawny draws to get to the later stages. ;) I think htis new format will have a lot of dead games in it as sides need to be able to get to the finals but a lot probabaly can't.
     
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  5. Tobes

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    I’d love UEFA and the respective leagues to call their bluff tbh. Go on then, crack on, and btw you’re expelled from our leagues and European competition. Good luck.

    It’d die on its ****ing arse.
     
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  6. jaffaklopp

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    Sadly I don't think it would. A lot of anger against it, but people would end up watching it. How many millions worldwide have no idea about rivalry and competitions and just want to watch real Madrid or similar play every week. Plastics dominate the market
     
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  7. Bumps

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    I would love them to call their bluff cause it’s the stupidest ****ing suggestion since whichever nobheads got together and created the premier league happened
    All done for greed as you say as was the prem
    But given the premier league succeeded I guess whatever they are angling for will materialise also.
    It is the start of the end I think
    Cause I think something will come of this
    It’s been rumbling too long
     
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    <applause>
     
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  9. Tobes

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    I wouldn’t watch a second of it. Ever.

    The domestic uproar of fans dead against it, would bring about UK regulatory control of the game here, as the Sherman’s and others don’t own the game, they’re custodians of it, if this was actually serious it would force Govt to act. I hope they do anyway tbh, just to ensure it can never happen here and to shut the greedy ****s up.
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

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    that couldn't work.

    the reason being if the premier league next season for example was Leicester v everton at the top and we promoted derby and kept up fulham and west brom etc. Well. who is going to pay for that???

    theres a fine line to be danced here. I think the primary endpoint is some assurance of having their snouts in the trough.

    england has a very particular issue compared to other countries.

    eg. Germany: bayern as assured of being in. they dominate, so need no change. Sapin, barca and real are assured of dominating the tv money and atletico have got a slice. Its almot impossible for them not to be at the party. Same in france. PSG have bought the league up.

    Only in italy where ac milan and others have suffered is there a similar sort of competitive issue.


    Again the model in england is fair equal TV share plus share based on league position. This allows clubs compete.

    contrast to spain https://www.statista.com/statistics...-revenue-received-by-football-teams-in-spain/
    (see valencia in 45h non 82 mil but finished 9th and sevilla on 79mil for 4th!!!)

    Mallorca took 43mil euros

    now look at us:
    https://www.statista.com/statistics...ments-to-clubs-in-the-english-premier-league/

    norwich cleared 94mil. POUNDS.

    now theres a case there that la liga is not as popular and all of that but the reality is we have merit based payments ofr who is most popular on TV but in general the club who win the dman thing gets most and the club whos 6th gets 6th highest but the difference is not absolutely massive


    Real sociedad in 6th got 100miliion euors+ less than barca last year.
    Spurs got 19million pounds less than Us last year.

    Thats where the league is competitive and there's no assurance that a top 6 will stay a top six. So the clubs in the club are threatening the whole club to assure their snouts have a bigger slop bucket.

    (IMO)
     
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    Well.... if you want to make this season interesting...(City have been in on talks just using not ratified internally as their hedge)

    Reduce all 6 of those teams to zero points tomorrow.... what a 6 game, 6 team relegation battle that would be!
     
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  12. Darwinism

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    This is an amazing show of unadulterated greed from the owners of these so called top clubs. Not content with the riches they currently extract from these clubs, they want even more. How can the likes of Arsenal and Tottenham even be called elite clubs when they are unlikely to play CL football? Is it a surprise that the English clubs are in a majority as four of these big clubs are at risk of missing CL or other European football ?
     
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  13. moreinjuredthanowen

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    If for example he uk government interceded in the PDC V the BDO do you think it would have succeeded?

    Nobody owns any game. They are a private group coming together. if another separate private group was to come together competition law alone would prevent the government from interfering.Man utd are not even an english company par se. they are a company on the new york stock exchange

    the most important point here IMO is that anger or threat won't solve it, never have never will. Each time uefa threated the G14 or whatever the clubs called themselves they just ended up doing what was wanted before.

    I personally sincerely doubt the english clubs want to break off from the premier league as its the golden goose. It is purely a money game so really they want space and time to play this expanded CL. I would be breaking out that leaked document to see the fate of aspects of the english game right now.
     
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  14. Tobes

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    They’ve already made it plain, the PL aren’t having it, simple as.

    Who’s going to pay for a 12 club European league with half the teams being English? And therefore how would those clubs replace the revenue from their domestic and European games?

    It’s all driven by greed and the Sherman franchise model, they can crack on for me, and I’d piss myself when it dies on its arse.
     
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    The Govt could legislate on our National game in the face of the fans being vehemently against this idea.

    They could force fan participation in any decision that could see their clubs being forced out of the domestic game.

    They’ve already threatened regulation recently during the COVID crisis if the PL didn’t adequately support the lower league EFL clubs.
     
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  16. InBiscanWeTrust

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    That'll just drive them out and would mean they have no reason not to go ahead with it.

    now I know you’ll turn around and say good, **** the clubs, better without them etc... but the prem won’t want those 6 gone or else their revenue will drop dramatically. Let’s be honest, China aren’t paying **** load of money for tv rights to watch Burnley v West Brom
     
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  17. wishiwasinliverpool

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    Rubbish
     
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  18. DirtyFrank

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    I'm lazy... so say this is a battle for %of profits among corporations... does anyone know how much UEFA make from CL vs the clubs?

    Is there such a disparity at that level for this brinkmanship?
     
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  19. Tobes

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    Same answer as I gave earlier. The product is the PL, the clubs who’d be forced to leave it to take this on, would have to replace that revenue and more. Good luck with that. So it’s a double edged sword.
     
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  20. InBiscanWeTrust

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    The clubs leaving would get far more money from the super league than they do from the prem. $6bn from JP Morgan to start with. That’s the whole point of them potentially going.

    they’re not stupid, not gonna go to a league where they’ll earn less than they do now.
     
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