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BREAKING NEWS: EUROPEAN SUPER LEAGUE

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  1. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Interesting words from anonymous board member about ESL.

    saying that they’ve grown frustrated with uefa. Uefa monopolise competitive football. That the reformed plans aren’t what any club want. How they don’t listen to any of the clubs involved. How CL doesn’t make anywhere near as much revenue as it could but uefa don’t want to listen...


    asked if uefa would reform the CL more would it out a stop to the ESL... ‘I believe so’

    Clearly this is just total frustration and is being used as a massive bargaining tool to get uefa to get clubs more involved in decision making. I don’t think uefa probably realised how far this ESL was to actually being set up and were happy to call their bluff on it
     
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  2. Darwinism

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    Spot on. I cannot see how the premiership won’t be devalued by this whether the dirty 6 stay or not.
     
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  3. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    True - I was referring to both the promotion and relegation aspect <ok>

    In terms of weakened sides, this already happens? Teams are conflicted and have to prioritise other competitions, and will field weaker teams wherever possible. Look at the league cup - most PL clubs field weakened teams but no one is calling for the PL to be scrapped because it's devaluing the League cup.

    The CL exists and big clubs like city and Liverpool want to win both the CL and the league. That's how I see the super League to be as well.
     
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  4. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    It really is a stand off at the moment of time. Who will back down first?

    Agree with the first statement - the clubs are the product. They are what fans, sponsors, corporates all pay to watch. We say that fans should have a say in how clubs are run but surely clubs should have a say in how they're being governed?
     
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    I'm fairly sure this happened just before the champions league format was introduced.

    The clubs threatened to go there own way, uefa gave them the champions league with the additional places as a pacifier.

    I'm fully expecting the same thing to happen here.

    The new format for the champions league has gone down like a lead balloon, uefa have told the clubs to suck it up, the clubs have told uefa to **** off.
     
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  6. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    EXCLUSIVE: Liverpool skipper Jordan Henderson has called an emergency meeting of the Premier League captains to discuss a response to ESL. More @MailSport shortly.
     
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  7. InBiscanWeTrust

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    yup and now it’s a case of, if you don’t change this is what we’re gonna do... balls very much in uefa court. Change and adapt and open up... or your biggest clubs will be gone
     
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    And you always told me you didn't have a sense of humour...
     
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    I'm reading about the ESL proponents claiming they're trying to save football. How about they put their house in order first then? Stop paying players and (even worse) agents ridiculous amounts of money and stop creaming off so much for yourselves.
    It's greed that has got them here in the first place, so the solution is more greed?
    This reminds me of the gun lobby in the USA claiming that the answer to so many gun fatalities is more guns, disingenuously ignoring the fact that it's their policy that is at the root of the problem.
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

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    It makes sense with the timeline of events. It is clear Uefa made another attempt recently on their CL reform to get the clubs on side but decided to push on.

    I agree I genuinely think UEFa had no clue how far the clubs had gone along the road when they cut off discussions in the last week or whenever. UEFA genuinely thought they broke the g14 and thought the ECA actually meant something or ensured it was so diluted they could do anything.

    UEFA are scrambling and threatening anyone and everyone. If people look back again at the BDO it was exactly the same. People who could not see sense and acted like it was a blood feud .

    I am quite certain fifa are behind the scenes trying to clam some flappers down enough to get some negotiations going.

    you have to remember that UEfa used to be a personal fiefdom of BLatter who handed it off to Platini and now that they have done a purge what you have now is a slovenian nobody who is an amatuer in a small league who's a pure paper pusher in charge. he is there specifically cos the smaller nations finally got to elect someone and even this gu was supposed to reduce the gap but was putting in elitist stuff into the CL.

    so you've a guy who's miles out of his depth in with the sharks and now he is flapping. you have certain small states jumping up and down shouting for bans and players to be beheaded or whatever as well.

    they are all just spinning round wondering what they can do to look strong which is the very worst thing they could do at the moment.



    remember we have a dane jumping up and down saying 3 sides should be fired out of this years champions league despite not yet having committed an offense. He can jump up and down until he is personally sued i suppose.

    As quoted:

    "For this reason, SLCo has filed a motion before the relevant courts in order to ensure the seamless establishment and operation of the competition in accordance with applicable laws."

    The new super league company has already filed to prevent uefa for jumping the gun and being silly.

    If we move to the premier league we have had the "media" jumping up and down in alarm however this is the statement today

    The Premier League have released a statement following their meeting this afternoon.

    It reads: "The Premier League, alongside The FA, met with clubs today to discuss the immediate implications of the Super League proposal.

    "The 14 clubs at the meeting unanimously and vigorously rejected the plans for the competition.

    "The Premier League is considering all actions available to prevent it from progressing, as well as holding those Shareholders involved to account under its rules.

    "The League will continue to work with key stakeholders including fan groups, Government, UEFA, The FA, EFL, PFA and LMA to protect the best interests of the game and call on those clubs involved in the proposed competition to cease their involvement immediately.

    "The Premier League would like to thank fans and all stakeholders for the support they have shown this week on this significant issue.

    "The reaction proves just how much our open pyramid and football community means to people."

    you will note that nobody got immediately expelled and no real action came out. Its a holding statement. they are going to go off now and see what ther eis to be done which really means seeing how much money is there in this for them.
     
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    Agree.

    One comp is always the strongest. if the super league is worth double the prem then its the primary comp for a team.

    when you've 300mil more than the others you can afford to have a 25man prem squad and a 25 man super league squad.

    the other thing is you can rid yourself of such annoyances as homegrown rules i expect. If theres a big fish there is a big fish so city could win 20 titles in a roaw and we could finish 10th and not care.

    the english premier league could make it awkward by upping the english requirement maybe.
     
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    ****ing greedy ****s.

    Real shame to see Liverpool involved.
     
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  13. Darwinism

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    Jimmy, I think you are mistaken. Of course there are problems with the current set up with the premiership, the FA, the UEFA FIFA and others. But the solution is to reform them rather to destroy football as we know it. This project is the destruction of the fundamental tenets of football as a sport.
     
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    Wonder how much power the players and coaching staff against the owners.

    I mean if the players refuse to play in a ESL, the owners aren't going to suddenly go out and replace them cause they couldn't afford to.

    Here's what should happen, all the owners should **** off and step up their own teams to play in this league.
     
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    Reform has been on the cards for many years now. There's a reason why clubs are acting now because they've had enough.

    I agree, I hope there is a better resolution instead of creating a brand new tournament. Let's see how backs down first.

    But again, you say it will destroy football however people were convinced this would happen when the PL and CL were introduced. Never say never ...
     
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    let’s be clear about the grievances of these 12 clubs. They were unhappy at not getting enough money. Their reform was about getting more than the 30% of all revenue, which they are currently getting. The FA and UEFA were trying to balance the monies to be given to these 12 and the rest of CL participants and the pyramid.

    When the PL and CL were being introduced some may have declared this but few had seen those as the destruction of the pyramid. For the football fan whether of the 12 or others , what’s the advantage of this super league over the CL? I can’t see any. I can see more money in the pockets of greedy FSG, greedy Glazers, greedy Kroenke. More money for the top players as the 12 fight amongst themselves for the new Haaland, the new Messi. I really cannot see real benefit for the average football fan. What’s the benefit for the fan of West Ham or Leicester City?
     
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    Yep really good points. The Super League said they would be pumping money back into the pyramid, more than what is currently done by the existing European competitions. Whether that is true or not, I don't know.

    What would be good is if one of the founders of the SL had the balls to step up and speak on this. Tell the world about the master plan, the details. Instead of hiding behind players and managers ...
     
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    This is so monumental that it requires Wishi to do a thread. So it can then be merged into another one. :biggrin:
     
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    Breaking | UEFA are in talks with an investment fund to create a new Champions' League that would have a €4.5bn budget, which could rise to €7bn, according to RMC & Bloomberg.
     
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