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European Super League

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  1. QPR999

    QPR999 Well-Known Member
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    I'm not sure how you get to post just the video.

    I've found it on TouTube, it's from 27 years ago.

     
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    The big US owners and money men dont like the interruption and uncertainty of cash flows caused by competition - they want the same as the NFL with no relegation just franchises. In fact the only way this really works is if its a closed shop of franchises - with these teams existing there and there alone. So no representation in the National leagues.

    It's not going to go away - so i just say let them resign from the PL and join their European Franchise League; let them have four quarters instead of two halves, penalties instead of draws and any other old pony they dig up.

    Once the franchises start including Chinese and Quatari teams (they'll have the money right - which is all that counts) traditional fans will be turned off - but then again, in a global game they are not important.
     
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    Not cheery stuff though is it? And I thought I was cynical. At least it’s not only me who sees a certain irony in the anger of Sky Sports pundits. I’m up for a big reset, no matter how long it takes and how painful it gets, but suspect that there will be a negotiated way forward once the lawyers get really involved. Does anyone think that Sky/BT/Amazon are going to allow these teams to be kicked out of the PL and CL after the dosh they have spent to televise the matches? They will force some way round it, and the clubs will come out of it with even bigger guaranteed income streams, and the threat of a breakaway will be ever present.

    Given that it’s run by JP Morgan and driven by American sporting models (which are fine by me - in the US - where they have a built in levelling mechanism through draft systems and salary caps) their PR effort around this is very poor - no respected football faces at all on telly supporting the concept or being spokesman for the ESL. Perhaps they just anticipated a **** storm and really don’t care, because it’s just ‘legacy’ fans who are moaning anyway, and we really aren’t the market anymore.

    Meanwhile I will get more and more pleasure out of going to lower league German games (virus permitting) where the beer is good and cheap, the fans bonkers, the football deeply average at best, and I don’t have the tension of watching QPR. I will also be getting an ST for us for next season, when this is available, just so I can say ‘I too have suffered’. All this ESL **** is a million miles away from the game I’m interested in. The reassuring thing is that the ESL is built on the presumption of endless, exponential, growth. Good luck with that.
     
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  4. Quite Possibly Raving

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    Clive is certainly not cheery!! Agree with much of what you say. On the PR point, I fear you're right. Let the traditionalists explode and get it all out the system. Once the fire has died down a bit they will start drip feeding the 'benefits' which will no doubt include £££ for grass roots football and solidarity payments for lower league clubs. Throw in a few strategic 'concessions' along the way, and they may have placated enough individuals in the 'legacy markets' to make this work. Meanwhile there will be a huge campaign on social media platforms (probably already started) in South Korea, China, the USA and beyond getting a bunch of 12-35 year olds incredible excited at the prospect of a Super League and priming them to hand over £25 a month to stream it all. At some point it doesn't even become necessary for them to compete in their 'legacy leagues' and they have all the bargaining power they want and need.

    Well, sod them. Kick them out right now before they build up that momentum and don't blink, even why Sky and Amazon are on the case. Get Sky to see that very soon they will be a 'legacy provider' and that they need to stand firm with the 'legacy league' to nip this in the bud before it gets too big.
     
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    I’d love to see them go and hopefully wither on the vine, even AC Milan who were a very big part of my life a few decades ago.....before we even had the CL and a cup competition was a cup competition, not an endless money making exercise. I somehow doubt that there will be the collective will to stand firm and see it through, but fingers crossed. The clubs under most pressure should be Liverpool and with their creepy community bollocks, and Barcelona, the alleged sporting club which is the heart of an imaginary nation, a nation which can apparently be bought and sold such is its integrity.

    Meanwhile just been discussing with my son the huge opportunity to monetise the game further. ‘This corner brought to you by Dunkin’ Donuts’ ‘Welcome to the FedEx free kick’ ‘coach Guardiola, on a five game losing stretch, sponsored by Prozac’. The club shirts will have more sponsorship badges than the rugby premier league clubs had at the beginning of professionalism.
     
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    First cracks beginning to appear in the 'solidarity' of the six, apparently both Chelsea and Citeh are having second thoughts. Might be something to do with their proposed expulsion from this season's Champions League which is due to be heard on Friday...

     
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    Ah yes, forgot about your love for the Rossoneri. I'd maybe add City to your list whose owners are not in this game to make money, but to win friends and influence.

    PS - All nations are imagined constructs.
     
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    .....as are companies, religions and anything else that Noah Yuval Harari says are imagined......


    just read that Perez of Real Madrid has said that 40% of young people are no longer interested in football and the ESL could feature shorter matches to match youngsters attention spans. He would probably opt for no matches at all if the money kept rolling in.

    I don’t think they’ve thought this through......

    James Milner, though he is unlikely to be involved as a player much longer, very firmly against the ESL idea as he stood in his Liverpool shirt after the game last night. Good lad.
     
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  9. SW Ranger

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    Too many times they have been allowed to dominate a league, which to me is wholly unhealthy for our game. The Leicester effect is so minimal there’s more chance of Grimsby getting into the EPL before anything like that happens again.

    To be honest I enjoy the competitiveness of the Championship; there’s plenty wrong with the set-up of the Championship (it’s poorly managed, promoted and capitalised on for certain), but aren’t you pleasantly surprised that a Barnsley can/have turned their season upside down, that a run of games can make a huge impact to your season, that each week there are surprise results that make you go ‘whoa, I didn’t see that coming’.

    Dont get me wrong, I’d love to see us get to the EPL and be a mid-table to improving club. But reality is you’ll do well to make mid-table of the bottom half - think it’s been a success and see your side lose more often than not. It’s horrible to be a yo-yo club and have success one season and total failure the next (along with your squad and management being thrown into the air like second-hand confetti due to the ‘failure’).

    it all needs a reset. So tell them to leave now. Remove them from European competitions. Let them get on with setting up their play thing league and new contracts for players and staff, creating their own deals blah blah blah. Let the fans get on with supporting their clubs through the fall-out that happens - because something always was going to happen. If anyone will worry it will probably be the rest of the EPL, because they don’t know what will happen financially with TV and how/if they can survive if finances change and current expenditure is even feasible.

    For us as QPR our Championship is undervalued anyway, the EFL sold that out, but we’ll get on with it just as we always have with our core of support - we’ve seen worse (much worse). We’ll be ready for the big reset if/whenever it happens. Come on u Rrrrs let’s be sorting out Swansea tonight back in the real world of football.
     
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    Gary Neville said last night that he thought City would be the first to pull out, for that very reason.

    Boris Johnson has said that nothing is off the table when it comes to stopping this happening. A new convert to state intervention against rampant Capitalism.
     
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    Not sure why some people were taken by surprise by this announcement, I am surprised it hasn’t already happened. It is evolution.
    I am not saying I am happy it.
     
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    Even Irving Welsh was impressed, high praise indeed ...

     
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    We are lucky that he is a QPR supporter and he is a great writer (journalist).

    However, it is evident that this article is written from the heart. It is very genuine and I think that it reflects how many of us feel.
     
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    Wolves, who finished seventh behind the ‘shifty six’ in 2018/19 have claimed the title for that year. Southampton have congratulated them and done the same for 2015/16. On their website Real Betis have removed Real and Atlético Madrid and Barca from the league table promoting themselves to third. Guardiola has asked how come 4 times European champions Ajax aren’t involved, and said that if success is guaranteed and losing doesn’t matter, it’s not a sport.

    The Women’s Super League, tacked on idea featuring the same clubs, doesn’t include Lyons, who have won the CL 5 years in a row, but does include second division Liverpool.

    This is becoming hilarious. Still waiting for a current or past player or coach to support the idea.
     
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    He's talking complete and utter bollocks saying that the formation of the Premier League was a similar thing to the proposed super league.
    The premier league is still part of the pyramid system, allowing everyone within that pyramid to dream of winning the Premier League (however unlikely-see Leicester).
     
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    Bayern Munich, who are the current holders of the Uefa Champions League, have released the following statement in the last hour:

    FC Bayern Munich takes a closed position on the Super League. President Herbert Hainer says: “Our members and fans reject a Super League. It is our wish as FC Bayern and our goal that the European clubs live this wonderful and emotional Champions League competition and develop it together with UEFA. FC Bayern says no to the Super League. "

    The chairman of the board Karl-Heinz Rummenigge confirms: “On behalf of the board I can expressly state that FC Bayern does not take part in the Super League. FC Bayern stands in solidarity with the Bundesliga. It was and is always a great pleasure for us to be able to play as the German representative in the Champions League. We all still fondly remember our Champions League victory in Lisbon in 2020, such a happy moment is never forgotten. For FC Bayern, the Champions League is the best club competition in the world."
     
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    The only similarity for me is that the Premiership was also formed to “get more money”.

    Agreed, there is no comparison with regards to being linked to the lower level structures.
     
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    As Real Madrid and Barcelona are supposedly owned by club members, surely at some stage the members will need to be consulted on this.......


    .....having looked it up there is no automatic way for this to be voted on, it seems club presidents can do what they want unless the fans who are members go through a complex process of collecting signatures, raising the issue at a board meeting, and doing this within a set timeline. At Barca the meeting has to happen on a match day so they better get a move on.
     
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  20. YorkshireHoopster

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    Have any owners raised their heads above the parapet yet to explain how the remaining 96 clubs in the PL and EFL are going to benefit or even survive while they help themselves to survive the pandemic? Poor loves. The sooner this leads to a reappraisal of the importance of sporting competition and fans rather than just money, the better. There are other things which need to be done to redress the balance - not least preventing the big 6 recruiting all the young talent that is still at school or even in short trousers simply so that other clubs can't have them.

    As I said yesterday, expulsion from the domestic competitions so that they have to play in the National Leagues North and South will soon deprive them of any meaningful revenue and Sky will not, for example pay the current going rate to watch them annihilate Gateshead FC by a minimum of 10 goals.
     
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