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BREAKING NEWS: EUROPEAN SUPER LEAGUE

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by moreinjuredthanowen, Apr 18, 2021.

  1. Delusional Full Stop

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    You still haven’t gotten over bottling the title and the Toon taking it in 2017. Get over it, mate. We were always too good for Hove United.

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  2. Tobes

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    An employment contract rarely has a penalty clause for not turning up though, whereas multi million pound commercial contracts almost always do have penalty clauses for cancellation, it’s a ludicrous analogy.

    You’ve also assumed that there’s no one legally qualified commenting on this thread. I make you wrong.
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

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    I will clarify.

    It's not that I feel it's unfair. I just feel its impractical given the scale of the issue the league will create for itself.

    However I am utterly convinced if gold and Sullivan, moshiri or any one of a number you could mention were offered this deal to be in on the big time they would take it. You would swear somehow on the 6 biggest club in England were owned by scum reading some commentary.

    I think punishment would be good but attempting to do anything over a certain level to all 6 or worse target some and not others will end up counter productive. Frankly this scheme is dead for a generation even with zero punishment.

    Theres not one of these clubs that will accept punative punishment and certainly if anyone tries on some of the more extreme fan reactions it will end in tears.

    Imo this is why already you have people putting out feelers about trying to grab some self advantage for themselves with control of committees that will decide on things like money shares etc. There are others talking about trying to get executives fired (more like settling old scores imo)

    None of these are anything like real sporting impacts such as expulsions or points deductions.

    If the 14 attempt to impose what is seen as punitive the entire apple cart will be upset, if they create a deep are permanent split it can only be bad for the league long term. The 6 scabs have already created the split, even if they say they wanted to stay in the prem here. If the 14 push hard enough to make the split permanent they will only end up losing.
     
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  4. saintKlopp

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    The ESL proposals also included provision for clubs to sell a number of games on their own platforms. Yet another subscription required if you want to watch all your team's games.
    What will it take before they realise that remorselessly screwing the fans out of their money is a dead-end policy and that reducing spending is the only solution?
     
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  5. Bumps

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    I have to watch you guys giving a running commentary now lol
    And listen to five live
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  6. Delusional Full Stop

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    It would be of interest to see what any poster thinks is a fair penalty. I’ll start.

    1. Firstly, a fine. Part paid and part suspended. The amount I’m not sure on as other fines on Clubs will be used as a marker. Obviously, there won’t be a comparative case but possibly looking at a previous case and the penalty and then deciding how much worse or not as bad that case was to this mess. Pushed I’d guess £25M with half suspended. Looking at penalty imposed on Man City by UEFA as a guide in 2014.

    2. Points deduction. Again as above. Again pushed 15 points.

    3. Europe ban. Either one or two years.

    For all of the Six.
     
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  7. Bumps

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    European ban 5 seasons but if any of the six finish in the euro places or win the cup there is no entry for another club in their place as they didn’t ‘earn it’
     
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  8. johnsonsbaby

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    I think the fact that all reports are saying that the FA and PL are exploring rule changes to stop breakaways suggests that the existing rules haven't been broken.
     
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  9. Zanjinho

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    Or they're simple trying to tighten them up to prevent it happening again
     
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    In terms of practicality I would say a heavy fine payable over several years would be the most convenient for the league, for the other teams in the pyramid and for the fans. The guilty party are the owners. Hitting them in the pockets is what would hurt them most. The fans and players would be most hurt by points deduction and European ban. A European ban would be the least favoured by UEFA as it’s like cutting your nose to spite your face. The product will be worth much less without the premiership clubs.
     
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  11. johnsonsbaby

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    If they need to tighten them up that in itself suggests that this breakaway isn't covered. If the rule has been broken then why would it need changing? It's all about interpretation anyway.
     
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  12. InBiscanWeTrust

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    You should have a good chance of winning it next season as well <whistle>
     
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  13. Zanjinho

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    Because it doesn't specify a consequence
     
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  14. moreinjuredthanowen

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    The handbook is a living document, it's full of coving stuff now. It only makes sense to write in some proper guidelines.

    In the end the only thing they did wrong by the rules irrespective of what fluff there is is signing the contract for super league.

    If they had said it was their intention to and please give approval there not a thing that could be done. The fact they signed first and presented it as done is the issue.

    The fact is this is still more for uefa than the Premier league
     
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    Not talking about penalty clauses if you read the comments....

    Talking about if it’s technically entering if you’ve not started. As I say, lots of vagueness around what does / doesn’t constitute entering the competition. Just signing a contract doesn’t always mean that you are guaranteed to do it. Contracts get signed then fall through all the team, as I say I’m sure the lawyers who get paid a fair sum will be able to find loopholes because the rule book

    Also you don’t need reply with ‘they signed a 177 page document’ as we all know that’s your stance on things and nothing anyone ever says will change that so it’s fine, I know your opinion, you don’t need to clarify it again <ok>
     
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  16. Zanjinho

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    How it's out more for UEFA than PL when its the PL rules we're discussing?


    Plus, UEFA have already bottled it
     
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  17. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Problem is, you ban them for 5 seasons and suddenly a ESL looks very good business and I’m sure there would be a bit less outrage
     
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    My tongue was in my cheek but I also thought it wasn’t too bad a suggestion too lol
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

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    1. Agree.

    2. Ludicrous, never going to happen.

    3. Not for the Premier league but up to uefa and it is for 12 not 6 so also highly unlikely.


    In the end pitch this against either going into administration = 10 point deduction, breaking ffp (50mil fine was it for city? Appealed away) or say going bankrupt and not playing tax like say rangers = demotion.

    They signed a contract and said they are staying in the prem, they broke rule l.9, for which there is no clear guideline for punishment. The other rule is very wooly.

    Nobody has every tried to join another competition individually therefore there's no precedence set. Again nobody said they were leaving the prem nor intending to Rob it blind so the fine pitched at 25mil seems fair given actual financial doping was set at 50mil (and appealed successfully)

    Points deductions would be impossible as you would in effect have Leicester moving from 3rd to first and you'd be promoting West ham and Everton to cl and promoting whoever to europa. In effect 3 or 4 clubs would gain financially from voting for the sanction therefore have a serious conflict of interest so it would only end up in court.

    As for European bans, uefa need to decide what to do, all 12 would need the same as they all committed the same offense. If city and Chelsea were let off lighter again it would go to court.

    Imo we can forget uefa gutting it's premiere competition.

    Uefa might apply another financial penalty or pull a suspended ban on them as a fudge.
     
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  20. moreinjuredthanowen

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    The offense in the end was far more targeted at uefa than the prem and far bigger.

    Again we have to remember that there's a convince to this for some to exploit in the prem where the spanish haven't even a breeze of bother.
     
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