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BREAKING NEWS: EUROPEAN SUPER LEAGUE

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  1. saintKlopp

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    By and large I agree with him, to the extent that they've made a workable business model from the shoddy set-up they inherited.
    As I said a few days ago I believe European traditions are a culture shock to Americans, who see fans as nothing more than a marketing opportunity and don't understand the relationship over here - or the deep-rooted cultural significance of football.
    They've had time to learn though, and there's no excuse for not doing so.
    Having said last week that I thought the whole scheme ponged of Yank, further events have caused me to revise that opinion. The leak that said Barca and Real would get preferential payments, and Perez's refusal to accept that the thing is dead in the water puts a big glowing neon arrow pointing at Spain.
    Still wrong of ours to support it, like.
    JH says, yet again, that they listened to the fans - but it would be better if they listened before the mistake rather than after.
     
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    Agree, but it's much better that they listen after the mistake than not at all.
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

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    the daily fail have published a long winded article about how the chance of punishment for the scabby 6 has diminished quickly over the week, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...League-joining-Super-League-receding-day.html

    But experts in sports law have told Sportsmail that they believe such clear-cut actions are increasingly unlikely and anticipate the top flight will seek a more ‘pragmatic’ solution, or ‘fudge’.
    “There is a view that if they were going to charge the clubs they would have done so already,' said Dan Chapman, a solicitor and Head of Sports Law at Leathes Prior

    'The Premier League are well equipped to moving quickly and any lawyer acting for a club responding to a charge will no doubt make much of any delay as part of their response. With every passing day I think it is likely that the chances of a charge seem to be receding.'


    interestingly they feel that the contract for the super league gave a get out. It appears the competition would only proceed if 70% - nine of the 12 - of the founder members were still committed to the project on July 10.

    Ergo one might even consider the fact they announced it as they did was merely one way to seek permission ;) If one was of such a mind of course. "So, the clubs could argue they would only have proceeded in the event that they had the permission of the Premier League, say the experts."


    finally:

    'A fudge' could include a renegotiation of how finances are distributed, the Big Six agreeing to accept a fine, the proceeds of which could be shared with other clubs or further down the pyramid, or agreement to rule changes that reduce the likelihood of this happening again.
    Another lawyer who represents Premier League clubs, including one of the Big Six, said that he expects the top flight to be 'pragmatic' and find a solution that balances the anger of the 14 other top flight clubs and disgust of fans, with the need to keep the league together.
     
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  4. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Difference being that the fans and the players are the ones that’s stopped this.

    If the fans and players were fully onboard with ESL it would have gone ahead. Instead they stepped up, the protested, they linked metaphorical arms with their rivals to say to 12 owners, no we don’t want this.

    For the PL to then turn around and say, great work everyone you did an awesome job saving the prem as stopping this, we’re going to punish you all for that, that’s a massive sense of injustice.
     
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  5. Tobes

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    Every true football fan was against this, as it destroyed the sporting merit based pyramid which is at the heart of what football is all about.

    I’ve seen loads of comments from fans of the clubs involved (including yours) saying that their clubs should be punished for their actions, otherwise where’s the disincentive to try a stunt like this again?
     
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  6. Zanjinho

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    I know you didn't say everyone but....

    ... I don't think it's right for fans, players and coaching team to suffer but it's the only way to get to those responsible.
     
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  7. InBiscanWeTrust

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    Do you think Dubai, Glazers, FSG would have been concerned about Accrington stanly fans standing outside protesting about the ESL?

    Yes every fan was against it, but if the fans of those 12 were all for it, the players were all for it it would have gone ahead. It’s brilliant that the whole country stood up and put rivalries aside and became football fans rather than club fans for 48 hours, but let’s not pretend that the fans of those clubs played more of a role in stopping this than anything else.

    I don’t think anyone is saying they shouldn’t be punished, everyone on here is in agreement. The point is, that punishing the fans and players for something they put a stop to seems very unjust. Now how do you punish owners that doesn’t impact fans and supporters? No idea... that’s for others to work out, but your point about it not being taken into consideration before isn’t relevant in this case, as the circumstances are so different
     
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  8. Tobes

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    LOL
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Our friends in the board rooms have their advisory position resignations so that must make the 14 happy?

    I presume that's about it now and quietly this all dies away?

    Seems to me like a massive fudge.
     
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  10. johnsonsbaby

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    Does this mean they've had a meeting about what to do and this is the outcome?
     
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    "Executives at clubs involved in the failed European Super League have been forced to resign from advisory roles at the Premier League.
    The move is a consequence of the so-called 'big six' teams attempting to set up a league which drew widespread criticism before it fell apart.

    The 14 other Premier League clubs felt betrayed by the move and demanded that executives involved, including Manchester United's Ed Woodward, Liverpool's Tom Werner and Manchester City's Ferran Soriano, step down.

    Woodward and Werner will no longer sit on the Premier League's club broadcast advisory group.

    Soriano and Arsenal's chief executive Vinai Venkatesham will be removed from the club strategic advisory group, while Chelsea chairman Bruce Buck will no longer be on the audit and remuneration committee.

    Tottenham, who were also part of the short-lived European Super League breakaway, were not represented in the three groups, which were introduced 18 months ago and discuss ideas before they are presented to clubs to vote on.

    The resignations will not affect any of the six clubs' voting rights"



    Don't know if this is a final outcome, but it does seem that this was a decision made by the 14.

    I did mention that the PL is worried/scared about losing these clubs, hence the reaction they went with, and making the punishment too big wouldn't be a good move for them. They want to kill the ESL off, not encourage these clubs to revisit it due to feeling harshly treated.

    I find it funny the PL is playing the hero of the fans, seem to remember that just a few months ago they wanted to bring in Pay-per-view for games.
     
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  12. johnsonsbaby

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    Thanks for that. This bit stood out to me: "The resignations will not affect any of the six clubs 'voting rights'. "

    Implies that they aren't talking about relegation.

    Like you, I think they won't push them too hard.
     
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  13. Zanjinho

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    So the club owners **** up, their CEOs have to resign from the PL panel, none of the clubs lose voting rights and they'll all just appoint someone else (that have had a equal input to the ESL as to those that had to resign) to attend those meetings instead? Seems very PL like tbf...<doh>
     
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  14. johnsonsbaby

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    The resignations are from specific advisory groups only not representatives from the clubs that attend the PL meetings. (Going by that report) The advisory roles are special roles. Note, Spurs don't have anyone on any advisory committees.
     
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    It’s a trust issue. These individuals have sat round the table and formed part of discussions about the development of the PL, whilst simultaneously plotting to hugely damage it for their own ends.
    The move to remove them from committees is partly token and partly a message that they don’t call the shots. The ‘big 6’ had their own preplanned agenda items put forward as a collective at the PL meetings, this practice has also been binned as I understand it.
     
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  16. moreinjuredthanowen

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    No that just means it's a fudge around the sides where nothing formal has been done. The voting would never be affected at all. 1 club 1 vote.

    This is all for show. New executives for this clubs will pop up and be forced back onto these committees in the next couple of years.

    I presume these rotate about anyway over time so its unsustainable that 6 clubs would be kept off all advisory panels forever. Especially as it would merely mean they would vote as a block trying to obstruct everything and anything.

    The thing is this hasnt been mentioned much at all this week and the painted rave himself is too busy creaming himself over city, chelsea, utd et al that hes hardly half time to call them scabs.

    The fans have been abandoned again.
     
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    The reason I picked out the voting comment was because if they were talking about measures and relegation was a possibility, then the clubs wouldn't be there to have a vote to retain. If they are saying voting rights won't be affected then it means the clubs aren't under threat of relegation....... at least.

    I see Scudamore has weighed in too although he's talking about 'consequences' and not sanction or punishment.
     
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    Only if they knew about the ESL plan. They probably did but the owners have said otherwise (not that I'd trust them).

    Still a joke if a punishment regardless
     
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    It’s merely a reaction to the events. Any punishment for a potential serious rule break is decided by a judicial review panel as per the rules of the league.
     
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  20. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Theres absolutely no mention of a formal meeting of votes. This is horse trading of minor ****.

    advisory committees are whatever.

    In the end the big clubs have to have their say on strategy and tv and such so it's about striking egos who are jumping up and down about not working with certain people ever again.

    Roll on a couple years and half those making most noise are in the championship lol
     
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