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Interesting BP article for 'Luvvies' and 'Haters' to debate

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  1. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Well it has been mentioned a few times.....but ignored by some..:emoticon-0103-cool:
    Have a read haters......some truths you may not like!!
    The choice of replacements are key......seems as always, LJ got the blame...oh.........and still is.<doh>

    Key players pulled from under his feet....didn't stand a chance!!

    Let's hope that Nige doesn't have to deal with such barriers!!
     
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    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    Let's hope that Nige doesn't have to deal with such barriers!!

    Absolutely.
     
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    Statement in full as Mark Ashton explains why Bristol City sacked Lee Johnson
    Dean Holden will take temporary charge
    'City Chief Executive Mark Ashton said: “We recognise the huge amount of work that Lee has put in over the last four-and-a-half years to move this club forward and we thank him for all his efforts. There have been some special moments over those years and Lee has played a significant part in them.


    '“However, success in football is ultimately judged by results and league position and the Board believes that a change of management is needed now for Bristol City.”


    'The club will be making no further comment at this stage as we prepare for next Wednesday’s Sky Bet Championship match against Hull City.'

    https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport...s/statement-full-mark-ashton-explains-4294761

    He was sacked for failure, ' Results and League position' He took the plaudits and paid the price.
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    Quite a few on here saw the same flame burning, others needed spec savers!

    2 people with allotted targets one is....

    we need to be within ffp and back on a level playing field …… only way is to sell the best bits when an offer above our expectations comes in … and replace with a new recruit for other to develop and sell on to add to pot to become profitable. A one trick pony that can see only 1 revenue stream, does not realise that 1 or 2 seasons in top league will give back 10x more than selling odd best player …….
    the other … progress younger players and buy in's and get to play off's or better ….. got good results missed out on top 6 progressed players have a reasonable squad … players sold go back to GO... like everything that goes round and round it eventually stops or falls over... worst scenario being it happens when light is at end of tunnel.

    NP SHOULDNT HAVE TO DEAL with such problems as the core root has been taken away, Covid has robbed teams/clubs of £m's and a whole new slate is absent of previous seasons successes or whoah's! Top 3 teams into prem will be well financed [ compared to now ] any that gambled might find a noose dangling and the future is uncertain for a lot …….
     
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    looking at the whole picture it is hard to not to see in hindsight that someone was covering their a*s! … building a bridge from stone you need all the stones to work, take away the key stone or try without one and it will eventually collapse …. same with football some teams revolve around 1 player others 2 or more that are key ..
     
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    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    Ultimately, as a football manager you take the applause when things go well and you take the hit when they don't. LJ knew what he was signing up for when he took the job.
    I've never said that LJ shouldn't have been sacked - in fact I said it was RIGHT that he went.
    Unlike some people however I don't hold him FULLY responsible for the 'failure'. He, the club and us fans were let down by the whole management team - of which Lee was certainly a part, but not the main chief. He had to use the scraps that Mark Ashton gave him - and we all know where that has left us - even Sir Nigel hasn't been able to polish this one........

    I read somewhere that he will be writing a book - I can't wait (bound to be on RPs Christmas list!!! <laugh> )
     
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    Times have genuinely moved on, blame has been castigated, LJ has long gone, DH has control and he has gone, the elusive MA and his cronies have gone or going, NP has picked up the baton, just held it together by a hairs breadth, don't let's kid our selves he was brought in to save a sinking ship, SL knew the mess we were in, the rats fleeing a sinking ship, the medical dept farce, the conmen in the players shirts, the lack of player spirit and morale, even the coaches could see the approaching disaster, OOC players, injuries beyond belief, we got through by the skin of our teeth.

    We have now got a proven manager at the helm, most of the doughboys that have been taking the piss out of the club know they have been identified and will be gone, players with something to offer will get their chance or be booted, players with heart and skill, the younger element will soon all have the confidence to know they are in the managers plans, new recruits will be signed up and NP will have 3 months to whip everything into shape, that is when we can all make proper judgements on our teams progress.

    Meanwhile Luvvies and Haters can carry on with their debates to their hearts content, LJ might be back in the Championship with Sunderland or he might fail, time will tell and the world will be our oyster, NP is our man, Bristol City FC is our team and I know where I stand.

    JUST NOTICED ~
    We've even got a Millwall player saying ' “The last game, Bristol were gone, they looked like they wanted to go on holidays already. They didn’t care, I’m sorry. I think they were the worst team we’ve played against this season.'
    https://newsatden.co.uk/80271-millw...t-bristol-city-as-he-praises-lions-mentality/

    It makes you proud to be a ROBIN.
     
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    What a sad lot we have become over the last couple of years and looking for the scapegoats is a waste of time and effort. The fact of today is that we are under a new director of traffic who knows the route out of these troubled times unless someone decides to throw out some road blocks gets in his way. I am looking forward to seeing what happens between when the curtain comes down on our season and reopens on the next campaign.

    Come on Nigel we know the task will not be easy but we are behind you all the way and all we need now is the final destination.
     
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    I don't think many if any would disagree that he did not meet the expectations of him last season as the statement you copied in highlights, and; therefore, paid the price with his job, no qualms with that from me. All managers do at some point, as SC did before him, and DH after, and at some point so will NP.
    What I still have never seen you acknowledge is that the bar/expectation that LJ failed to meet, was set as the highest of any manager in SL's reign.
     
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    Well seeing as Mark Ashton is buggering off Nige won’t have those problems imo, most of it was probably Mark Ashton’s “work”
     
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    It's a pointless question, when he took the job on he set his own bar/ expectation ~
    Lee Johnson: Bristol City capable of going from Championship to Europe in five years
    * Bristol City head coach Lee Johnson says he wants the club to play Europa League football within five years.
    * Johnson said: "I'm going to stick my neck on the line a little bit and say Europa League."
    * Johnson said City aim to "fast-track" efforts to emulate Swansea and Stoke, who have both featured in Europe's second-tier competition in recent years.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36962717.amp

    3 times in one press article he set his own bar, my opinion of the guy you know, I'm not going to bore the pants off everyone with highlighting examples here, I will never acknowledge him as a successful leader for Bristol City and I am most certainly not trying to antagonise you but the guy ,without all of the chances, experience, expertise, facilites, equipment and financial support Steve Lansdown surrounded him with would have been a bigger failure than what he got the sack for.
     
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    That ‘Europe’ statement wasn’t one of his smartest comments.
     
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    The point is his head line statement ~ Lee Johnson: Bristol City capable of going from Championship to Europe in five years
    The promises there are promotion from the Championship to Premier, then qualifying in a top Premier League place for European competition all from 18th in the Championship within 5 years.

     
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    I would agree, although having an aspiration isn't a bad thing. It's just been used to beat him with on here, I'd rather he said that and failed and was laughed at, than he had come out as said, I hope to take the team down a League so I can get them promoted again and have it on my CV, and then achieved it!
     
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    You asked me a question about setting a bar/expectation that he was the highest of any manager under Steve Lansdown reign, I demonstrated to you why my answer was no way, there was no other motive, you as usual have to defend LJ.
     
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    Or winning a cup? He got close(ish) to that in fairness. Again, closer than anyone to a major domestic cup final in over 110 years, although on a par with Joe Jordan who took us to the semi-final of the same competition.
     
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    To be honest to some of your comments..
    I’m not sure NP saved us from the drop as it’s been a dreadful run of games, more like Dean’s start to the season.
    As to the Millwall player saying we were gone and looking like wanting to be on holiday, shows the manager struggled to motivate them, which IMO is a little concerning..
     
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    The real problem is how, who and why our team became such a diminished outfit anyway and it surely didn't happen suddenly on the 22nd February, he was given 12 weeks to save our status, for what ever reason and how, that job was done and NP was the man at the helm.

    The Millwall problem does need serious attention I agree but don't forget all of the squad NP has used he inherited from LJ, DH under MA's direction, and 2 of them got the sack, the 3rd has done one and as we all know NP has already started weeding out the culprits.

    Watch this space I am told.
     
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    it is better to set a bar higher than it is to set one lower.. the difference between positivity and negativity????

    it was a direct to the point comment and better to try and fail than fail because you didn't try!

    had he said in year 1 I would like to finish mid table in year 2 wish to consolidate the club in the top half, year 3 go for the play offs and hopefully win should this not be the case , try again in year 4 and maybe get to prem then maybe with a fluke get into Europa league or at least stay there ………………… ! would anyone prefer that??
     
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