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Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Darren Peacock’s Ponytail, Apr 21, 2021.

  1. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    He left us playing **** boring football as we'd had to watch the whole time under him. Same as every other club. He can talk all he wants, Mourinho does exactly the same. They claim they recognise football has moved on from them and they will adapt. Then they concentrate on stopping the opposition. We played defensive counter his whole time here. Same as he has everywhere else, boring the **** out of fans and sometimes players. I don't think anyone would argue the fact he is a fantastic defensive coach. He ain't gonna change now and we need to look at something more modern, something which brings excitement. He's not the man for the new regime. He'd last two years maximum and would leave us with a hell of a challenge to unpick his work. We need to think more like Man City did, with clear lines of transition between the coaches you appoint.

    I don't think you can ever say he is out of touch or a dinosaur. He has never followed trends etc. He has a very unique style and his own way of doing things (which has served him well). Its why he is notoriously difficult to follow. He hasn't changed much at all since Valencia.
     
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  2. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    So hang on you present a set of criteria where you think that would warrant promotion to a bigger job. So I present how Eddie Howe exceeded this criteria and then you dismiss that criteria. Bottom line is at the point he finished 9th off the back of promotion from bottom to top, he should have been in prime position for a job higher up.

    The big clubs don't appoint from doing well in the lower leagues in England. They don't even appoint from doing well in the championship. If you think otherwise, name a manager who has been given an opportunity in this way (the way most non ESL minded people would think it should be).
     
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  3. Dr Van Helsing

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    Are you still telling us Joelinton is 100 times the player that rondon was?
     
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  4. jimileysbaldhead

    jimileysbaldhead Well-Known Member

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    Rafa changed his name by deed poll when he was old enough, he was actually christened Turgid Shyte.
     
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  5. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    I think you should change your name to Captain Gullible and Irrelevant <cheers>
     
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  6. Dr Van Helsing

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    Oh no mate you were deadly serious <laugh>
    Don't make me dig them out
     
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  7. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    I think you should go dig them out mate :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  8. Dr Van Helsing

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    Tbh I think I screen shotted then
     
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  9. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    No I want to see a link to the posts or its bullshit. Screenshots can be altered. Happy hunting.
     
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  10. Dr Van Helsing

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    I have pms too
     
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  11. Rafman

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    Off the back of the season where he finished 9th, yeah he could have joined a bigger club than Bournemouth, a top 10 team or an established Premier league side, but he didn't and he spent more money and results went the other way and he was relegated 2 seasons later.

    His stock now is much lower and he needs to rebuild by going to a club like Celtic where he can get some titles under his belt, try his luck in Europe and then return to a top 10 premier league side in a few years.
     
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  12. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Yes and he didn't because despite plenty of top clubs having openings, they went to foreign managers, because its a bit more sexy. I can see you just completely miss the point because you have an ESL type mentality.
     
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    If you follow his career, you will know how he operates, he plays tight organised football, where the motto is defence is the best form of attack. He does this until the club is safe from relegation or guaranteed a certain spot in the league and then he takes the shackles off.

    Pardew is considered our most attacking manager in recent times and his side were only scoring a couple more goals than Rafas, but conceding 10-20 goals more. The last time we conceded less goals than under Rafa was in 2006. When we were an established Premier league side.

    Yeah he is the Godfather of the 4-2-3-1 and is responsible for introducing Europe to that formation to such success.

    He is far from stuck in his ways and has shown ways of adapting several times in his career, depending on the teams objectives. You call him a defensive coach, in Napoli they called him an attacking coach. In Madrid his side broke no end of attacking records until he was sacked. Chelsea were playing very attacking football under him. He broke every attacking state at Liverpool.

    You say he and Mourinho are set in their ways and going younger is the way forwards. How are Ancelotti (61),Bielsa (65), Hodgson (73) doing, because I'm pretty sure they're succeeding at their current clubs.
     
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    I don't have an ESL mentality. He didn't get those jobs because he wasn't good enough. I don't think foreigners are better because they're foreign, the problem lies with British coaching and the fact that former footballers get to skip badges and advance quicker than others and have guaranteed jobs waiting for them. Should Lampard have been given the Derby job, no, did he do well there, no. Should he have been given the Chelsea job, hell no, will he likely be gifted another top position, more than likely. I have friends who trained for their badges, struggled to get work, had to settle for unpaid local team jobs, before finally getting to coach youth sides for league 1 and 2 clubs and they all said that former footballers turn up to the first training session, and then don't turn up again and they somehow get rewarded their certificate and end up going straight in as League 1 or above management positions.
     
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  15. Warmir Pouchov

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    Massively ESL mentality. You've basically outed yourself as a bigger **** than you had already with all the Rafa guff. You can talk around it all you want. The traditional way of working your way up through the divisions has gone by the wayside. The reason for that is advent of the PL, the big 6 and ESL mentality, and a general not giving a **** about the health of the game in this country. The PL and the top 6 jobs should be the reward for home based managers who have excelled through the leagues. Outside of sentiment I can't remember the last one who got a job like that? Maybe Moyes but even that was because of his relationship with Sir Alex Ferguson.
     
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    Rodgers at Liverpool.
    Lampard at Chelsea.
    Parker at Fulham.
     
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  17. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    I don’t think Fulham are a top 6 club <laugh>

    Lampard was pure sentiment.

    Rodgers yeah. 1 in how many managerial changes among them clubs?

    Thank you for illustrating my point.
     
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  18. Rafman

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    Peter Lim apparently wants Rafa back at Valencia, but it's whether he believes in the project.
     
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  19. Rafman

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    According to Indikalia, its out of Parker and Rafa for Spurs job.
     
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  20. JakartaToon

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    That explains it. Best not to post on social media at that time of the month.
     
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