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Off Topic Hartlepool Bye Election

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  1. The Norton Cat

    The Norton Cat Well-Known Member

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    Interesting! I don't see it as defending anyone. Just an irrational hatred of bias. I don't really care what people's backgrounds are. The aristocracy don't offend me and I don't care if people are born into money. In fact, I find it a bit odd that people are offended by that. Someone said earlier in the thread something along the lines of "only a member of an elite could support the Tories". I find this extremely strange as it surely implies that they feel inferior to some groups in society. I don't think the rich or the aristocracy are better than me. Its just an accident of birth. People are people no matter where you go. You'll find good people and utter twats in any group within society.
     
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    Now I understand... class traitor... no probs
     
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    Hold on I never mentioned Teresa My point was Johnson was a remainer but as true as this is, it is so rarely mentioned, because it doesn’t suit the narrative.
    if you are going to criticise Bridget for being remain and not supporting her constituents, which is fair enough. you can’t not criticise Johnson for being remain and shifting to leave can you
     
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    Ha! I see it as a form or discrimination. As I've said before, I don't believe that there is a class system in this country any longer. Its just clung to by people who wish to justify their bias <ok>
     
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    I had a debate with someone who hated Starmer because he was rich. I found it baffling, and when I said me dad was canny poor, his dad died when he was really young, me grandma worked three jobs to put him and his sister through Uni and they did okay for themselves, was that wrong, they had no reply. What’s preferable, people bettering themselves, through hard work or having your place at Eton guaranteed from birth.
     
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    Of course all much worse than taking the country into an illegal war.
     
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    With the full support of the tories mind
     
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    Tony Blair the mastermind.
     
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    Don’t disagree mate. Just this rewriting of history that it was solely Labour. Tories went toe to toe and would have gone in themselves if in power

    Blair should have faced charges for his lies and spin.
     
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    Now you are just being silly.... and have negated all your carefully crafted arguments...
     
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    Not really. I genuinely don't think the class system as its traditionally understood is applicable in this country anymore. There are only varying degrees of wealth (or lack thereof). Class and wealth aren't the same thing.
     
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    Should of gone to specsavers <laugh>
     
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    I’ll happily live with being vile, if being vile in my world means caring about others. And caring about how people struggle because of years of Tory government.
    As opposed to your judgemental little uncaring about others.
    and you know what, that’s not even political, it’s just human nature to care about others, something you don’t seem to be able to do, genuinely feel sorry for you.
    My
     
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    I suppose it depends on your perception. If you want to see divisions between people, then you will.
     
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    I can see both sides to this argument particularly in the UK.

    The House of Lords still exists and what is the criteria for sitting there? They're not elected if i recall, rather they're appointed.

    What i would agree with is that the class structure for want of a better phrase is changing. It's now become more of a wealth structure with a lot of "new money" being afforded the privileges that were once reserved for the upper classes of old.
     
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    I mentioned Teresa May, not in relation to Boris, but to Bridget. One was a remainer, who tried to do her job, even though it went against what she originally wanted, the other just chose to do what she wanted.
    As for Boris, if this is true, and I wasn't aware that it was, then if he changed his mind to suit the narrative then he was wrong to do so. Is this not typical of politicians though. Just out to feather their own nests? Don't forget, Churchill, arguably one of the finest statesmen of the 20th Century, changed political parties. Did he do this for political gain, or as a matter of principal?
     
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    Not perception - personal experience
     
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    The thing that some people fail to grasp is that both are a viable option. I am all for people wanting to better themselves through hard work, but I don't think that those born with a silver spoon should be disqualified from doing so either.
     
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    actually it was oxford and his parents paid for it he wasn't poor either, a London born boy whos parents moved to Surrey away from the commoners
     
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    It’s 100% true. And this is the thing, His previous allegiances and his current lies aren't reported. he did twist for his own self serving ends. Which was power.
    Johnson is desperate to be a Churchill, he’s. a pretender.
    Churchill won the war, eternally grateful, but he was voted out soon after.
    Johnson is a lying, corrupt fraud
     
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