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Postecoglou & Lange (& Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Next gaffer, who's your preference?

  1. Arne Slot

  2. Ruben Amorim

  3. Luis Enrique

  4. Ange Postocoglou

  5. Brendan Rodgers

  6. Graham Potter

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  1. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    Yes I know. But there is no magic way of guaranteeing trophies. You build the best team you can and then what happens, happens. ENIC have actually delivered our best performing team ever who have come up a little short in a few finals.
     
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  2. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, nobody talks about the 1974 Dutch side of the 1982 Brazil side

    Bunch of losers, far more people have such vivid memories of the 2004 Greece side...
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

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    That's what I meant to put. No idea why I switched them up.
     
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    I disagree. There are quite a few things stated in there that don't bear scrutiny.

    Pochettino had money to spend, but rejected virtually every player that he was offered, by all accounts.
    Signing Ruben Dias and Bruno Fernandes instead of Gedson and Rodon is also laughable. That's about £150m extra.
    We're not City. We can't afford to keep up with their spending or that of most of the sides ahead of us. It's not plausible.

    Rumours about us wanting Nagelsmann? Put them on the pile. He'd already been lined up by Bayern, as Flick was off to the national job.
    Add Rodgers to it, too. Another rumour. Ten Hag? Didn't sign a new contract. Ajax triggered a contract extension. Pure falsehood.
    Jesse March? Another rumour, when everyone knew he was going from one Red Bull team to the main one.

    "Indeed, since 2017, not a single senior defender has been signed. Since 2015, not a single attacking player has been signed to improve the club’s first choice attacking options. And since 2013, not a single playmaker has been brought in to improve the club’s creative options. It’s an astonishing level of neglect and disinterest, virtually unparalleled in the modern game."

    Not a single senior defender? He mentioned Rodon earlier. How did he forget him in a few paragraphs?
    We also signed Doherty, Reguilon, Sanchez, Foyth, Aurier and debatably Sessegnon in that time. Why's he lying?
    The rest is opinion at best and certainly isn't supported by the facts.
    It's just a poorly researched hit piece that suggests that the Glazers are better owners. Tell that to Man Utd fans.
     
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

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    It's like the interview with LAdPCeV-B from the other day where he says that his relationship with Levy and Baldini wasn't the same in the second season and was nowhere near as good as it was in the first season

    He somehow forgot to mention he had no working relationship with Baldini in the first season, so essentially what he's saying is he worked a lot better with Levy when Baldini wasn't around

    Food for thought for those saying a DoF will magically change things for the better...
     
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  6. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    That World of Hotspur account is run by idiots and followed by many more. Provides some great entertainment on the group chat though, lol.

    There's a ton of things to be pissed about with ENIC/ Levy at present but that account spouts so many lies and false information, it's amazing how so many people take their word as gospel. Simply following Ally Gold or Dan Kilpatrick would make you realise a lot of what WoH say is false and that's without doing any actual research.
     
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  7. humanbeingincroydon

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    Out of curiosity, does one of their main writers happen to look like a pudgy David Baddiel?
     
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  8. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Possibly. Though I’m also not ruling out the possibility of it being Piskie doing a long term wum.
     
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    Isn't that just David Baddiel?
     
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  10. KingHotspur

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    Spurs had money for Dybala but then that deal fell through and they started haggling for Bruno when they could have just switched the money from Dybala to Bruno. Offering £20million in add ons for winning the league and champions league was insulting and makes Levy look like a muppet.

    I don’t think Dias was realistic but Bruno Fernandes was almost done and again it’s a case of what might have been
     
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  11. The Huddlefro

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    Bruno Fernandes is no doubt a fantastic player and would undoubtedly have contributed more than Tanguy and Gio have combined but although many were disappointed in missing out on him, many were also excited about signing two exciting young players who we all hoped Poch could work his magic on. Turns out the squad was too far gone in any case to allow Poch time to try this, and it seems that with Tanguy we just didn’t do our due diligence on his attitude, and Gio has had an awful time with injuries that to my knowledge he wasn’t so prone to in his previous roles. Both in hindsight look like major ****ups.

    I don’t think Bruno would have saved Poch’s job and I don’t think that under Jose he would have fixed our attacking malaise that seemed more down to how the squad were trained than personnel. Seeing us under Mason with the same players is proof enough for me that this is the case. Ryan got the tactics wrong against Leeds but overall we’ve shown far more attacking intent under his management. The football is more watchable.

    Attacking players aside (and although the linked WoH piece gets a lot of facts wrong, it’s hinting at the right problem) the major issue has been the lack of quality investment in the base of midfield and across the defence. This is of course linked to our bigger issue of just not being willing or able to move players on.
     
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    Bruno Fernandes would get sent off for diving every week if he played for us and the media would slaughter him.
    This was after about 9 months in the Premier League, back in September:
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

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    The other issue is Sporting were clearly geared up for a transfer auction that summer, and were hoping that our bid would be the first of many - but it was the first of one, meaning their options were accepting that none of the monied clubs would make a bid and accepting our offer or digging in their heels and hope they came back the following January

    It's similar to why Kaladou Koulibaly has been at Napoli so long, not because his ceiling is lower than Napoli think but their putting such a ludicrous release clauses in his contract means that most clubs aren't going to bother trying to negotiate, yet the clubs they want to negotiate are looking at players like Ruben Dias, Thilo Kehrer, Antonio Rudiger etc
     
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  14. remembercolinlee

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    To answer your question...

    1. The appalling treatment of Martin Jol. It shamed our club imho.

    2. Only making 3 managerial decisions that took us forwards (Jol, Redknapp and Pochettino) and one of them (Jol) was massively pushed for by Frank Arneson only to be ignored until the actual choice (Santini) quit...after 3 months.

    3. Sacking Pochettino and bringing in JM.

    4. The decision to furlough the lowest paid employees at the club and only backtracking after a massive campaign by fans.

    5. The decision to join the ESL and only backing down after a massive campaign by fans.

    Before the ESL I advocated that Levy should be removed from chosing our next manager.

    But all 5 points make me believe he should be removed as Chairman.
     
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  15. remembercolinlee

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    Are you saying that we don't remember the 1987 season with fondness.
    Or the 2010 season...our first top 4 finish.
    Or the Jol seasons where we qualified for Europe via the league for the first time in 20 years?
    Or the 2016-17 season...where we went the whole season unbeaten at home?

    I too love the years we won trophies but I remember all of the above seasons much much more than the 1999 season when we won a cup.

    1998-99 was boring ... none of the above were .

    I think it is way too simplistic (imo) to say only trophy winning seasons are memorable.
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    And it's not like there's a mountain of books and documentaries about England's performances in the 1990 World Cup or Euro 96
     
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    I share your views on those five points but for most of them other owners made the same or similar mistakes.
     
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    The more alert posters on here may have noticed that I am a strong ENIC supporter. I really do think they have been the salvation of the club.

    Here is why....the graph shows the average league placing of each of the big six over the last 30 years. It's a six year moving average to smooth it out but it tells the same story however you plot it. When ENIC took over we were miles behind Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea. Over the years we've gradually caught up to the extent that we've been ahead of all of them at some point and are now more or less exactly level with Arsenal beginning to fall way.. Of course Man City have overtaken everyone.
    We've had less money than all five of them over the whole period (but have now caught up Arsenal and Chelsea on income). By many on here I am told to believe that we make bad footballing decisions, sign poor players, keep deadwood and make poor managerial decisions. So how have we overtaken them? Is it a miracle? Is Poch magic? I prefer to deduce that ENIC know what they are about...at least more than everyone else does! Rolling performance.png
     
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    I'd feel more confident of this if the last five years hadn't demonstrated that letting English people vote isn't a good idea...
     
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    If I could only take one match recording to a desert island it wouldn't be a winning cup final, it would be chosen from beating Real Madrid at Wembley, or the CL away legs at Man City or Ajax.
     
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