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Bruce getting the message?

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  1. Rafman

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    More goals conceded. Less goals scored. Less points. More injuries. How is that successful?
     
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  2. Dr Van Helsing

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    We finished 13th in rafas last season. And 13th in Bruce's 1st. So he's done aswel as rafa.

    There's other clubs spending money since rafa left... Leeds, villa, Everton, Palace they ball spent big...

    Steve bruce has done aswel as rafa and we're now playing some enjoyable football since Bruce brought in Jones.

    Jones you know the guy the fans claimed was brought in behind his back? No he chose him.. It's yet another example of the fans being demonstrably wrong.
     
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  3. Dr Van Helsing

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    So what? We got 44 points last season and 39 so far this.

    Do you read anything?

    You're looking at all kinds of selective crap to justify your emotional dislike of Bruce.

    He's done fine and he's turned around a bad run that was clearly down to covid and injuries... He's also pulled off a blinder bringing in Jones.
     
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    You can all tap dance around and drag up as many petty discrepancies as you like, but the fact is he's done better than you thought he would.

    Why not just let it go and say he exceeded your expectations!? Or are they actually as high as the media say?

    17th was the aim for rafa, but Bruce obviously has the bar set at top 10


    That's the crux of it
     
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  5. Dr Van Helsing

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    I'll now sit back and wait for thec why can't we be like Leicester **** I guess?

    There's over 900 clubs in this country and one story like Leicester.

    Sheff United last season? Weren't we envious of them? Aye look at them today ****ed.

    Leeds? They've done better than us but spent big and are a big club much like ours tbh.

    West ham? How many times have they done this well?

    Villa? Spent 200 million in 2 seasons

    Everton? 300 million

    Wolves? Hundreds of millions and look at them under the great nuno Santo.


    Just take your time
     
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  6. Geordieginola

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    Now this i don’t agree with. That will make us look like idiots.

    Im hopeful everything is peaceful. The fans can make their feelings heart but abusing Bruce is not the way forward.
     
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  7. Delusional Full Stop

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    He's not doing fine.
     
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  8. Dr Van Helsing

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    We're safe and he's done the job though mate.

    Anyway if the takeover happens he's history.
     
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    He's done what job?

    If you're happy to align your expectations to Ashley's then he's done the job. But I don't align my expectations to what Ashley wants so he hasn't done the job. He's failed miserably.
     
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    Well that is his job at the end of the day. I feel I've covered my views already.
     
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  11. Delusional Full Stop

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    So he's done a job with very low expectations and very low requirements and we, the fans, are supposed to be happy with that? Each to their own I suppose.
     
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    What are your expectations of a manager under Ashley? With rafa it was widely considered 17th
     
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  13. Delusional Full Stop

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    Firstly, I don't restrict my expectations with regard to the Owner. My expectations of the Manager are the same regardless as to who is the Owner.

    Secondly, with Rafa he was aiming to survive first season and then aim for top ten second season. Bruce if you recall has downgraded his aims as the season has gone on.

    One of the reasons I liked Rafa and disliked Pardew and dislike Bruce is that Rafa refused to be a "mouthpiece" for the Club and Ashley in particular.

    My expectations are that a Manager gets the best out of the players available. That he ensures every effort is made to win every game. And doesn't try and insult my intelligence. Bruce fails on all three accounts.
     
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  14. Dr Van Helsing

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    So you're basically saying results are not important?

    Rafa was great on the eyes of the fans and he got the job done.

    Bruce has done the same, but isn't liked.
     
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  15. Delusional Full Stop

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    If you mean we have to win. No they are not. If you mean we are not trying to win then yes they are. If our players are not beating teams they should beat then yes they are.
     
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  16. Dr Van Helsing

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    Are you suggesting rafas football wasn't set up to defend?

    I have to wonder what people have watched since Jones came in because its been alot more attacking and better all around.

    Wins vs Leicester and West ham wins vs Everton, Southampton and draws against Liverpool and Tottenham... If we hadn't lost Wilson max and Almiron we'd have won more.

    Tbh I wish the fans would just stop bullshitting and just say they don't like Bruce, they never wanted him and they want him gone regardless of whether things have improved.

    Anyway the takeover will see his reign end, so I don't understand the continuing bully in the playground stuff that's all.

    Just accept he got the job done and let the takeover situation unfold this summer.
     
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  17. Delusional Full Stop

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    No I'm not suggesting that but there are more than one way to skin a cat (to win).

    He still hasn't got the job done, not for me. As I said it all depends upon what your expectations are.
     
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  18. Dr Van Helsing

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    Come on mate the fans just don't like him and are 2 years into an argument.

    Sorry that's just the truth.

    I don't mind people saying they just hate the man, but it's all twisted... Jones wad his idea and his appointment and it worked which was good management. The fans said it was done behind his back and built a false narrative and they were not only wrong, but haven't had the decency to say they were wrong fair play on that.

    The fans said he had to go or we'd go down! Wrong again and of course no apology and no fair play given.

    The fans don't like him and when people don't like someone they're ****s
     
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  19. Albert's Chip Shop

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    Jones was brought in behind Brice's back. He was asked about Jones and as he entered the club Bruce is on record saying he didn't know a thing about it and to ask the club.
     
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  20. Dr Van Helsing

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    Wrong Bruce asked for him, interviewed him and gave him the job.

    He can't win can he

    When we were winning early in the season the fans said it was dreadful football and they'd rather lose 4-3.

    At the end of the season since Bruce employed Jones we've won and played better football and the fans say its no good because we were crap in between
     
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