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The Future direction of SAFC

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Oliver's Army, May 22, 2021.

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Solutions to the problems at SAFC

  1. Sack the head coach, keep the players - it's all down to him

  2. Get shot of most of the players - it's their fault

  3. Keep the gaffer, he will get it right under the new owner

  4. Fans fault (lol, just joking)

  5. Armageddon, we are lifetime members of league 1 regardless

  6. That's football! Still getting a season ticket

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  1. Oliver's Army

    Oliver's Army Well-Known Member

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    Players were told at 11am today according to Madbob over the road. Get it announced I say, no point hanging around.
     
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  2. Draig

    Draig Well-Known Member

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    The best MD I ever worked with used to say you don't make a decision until you announce it - ie you do all reviews, plans, etc beforehand and once you announce that you have made a decision all that remains is to tell people.

    SAFC didn't say they had provisional lists, so to me it implied that they were already agreed. If not then it is a case of prevarication and management misleading fans. I've had enough of that under Donald's ownership!
     
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  3. Draig

    Draig Well-Known Member

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    Taking 24 hrs to confirm things is preparing the list, rather than the list is prepared.
     
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  4. The Norton Cat

    The Norton Cat Well-Known Member

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    Surely KLD won't be so pathetic as to throw a hissy fit and sack a manager who has done well just because of one set back.
     
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  5. Blyth_bucaneer

    Blyth_bucaneer Well-Known Member

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    Probably more truth in listening to my granny tapping out the morse code from her grave. God bless her.
     
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  6. Nordic

    Nordic Well-Known Member

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    Same sentiment pal, but these decisions by LJ make me wonder whether he has what it takes to succeed. I'm sick of the bullshit merrygoround we've become. Over to you KLD
     
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    Sunderpitt Well-Known Member

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    KLD and LJ.... initials only you notice...

    Do play a bit of golf together... LJ has a fancy trolley that follows the fob/controller around...perhaps KLD might be jealous of this?
     
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  8. Nordic

    Nordic Well-Known Member

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    you've lost me there like !!
     
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  9. Iain

    Iain Well-Known Member

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    Could understand that if it was just one set back but to win 2 games from your last 11 when you were in the driving seat to win the league isn't one set back.
    Yes I agree he inherited an extremely **** squad of players but they are the same players that played Lincoln, Portsmouth, Oxford off the park, matched Peterborough and Hull. Absolutely destroyed Lincoln in the first half yesterday to then be atrocious and could have conceded 5 in the second half.
    I'm not sure how I feel and what I think they should do about Johnson thankfully that is not my decision to make.
    The thing I worry is earlier in the season when things weren't going right his substitutions seemed to change the game now it seems he's lost for ideas.
    He is head coach not a manager, I'm not sure what input he will have on signings but I've heard it mentioned he will have the final say, so not quite sure why he's a head coach and not manager.
    If its the recruitment team that is making the signings I'm not confident in Johnsons coaching skills.
    I hope whatever decision they make I will give 100% support and hope this time is the start of something new, if they keep Johnson it may just be that they need to bring in players that suit his style.
    Never been to Sheffield Wednesday before so somewhere new
     
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    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    It’s bloody awful<ok>
     
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    rooch 3 Well-Known Member

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    When you read that it opens your eyes a tad don’t know what to think now?
     
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    Southern A Well-Known Member

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    I completely agree with the logic mate. I’m just saying that they might have wanted to take 24 hours to re-assess those lists based on performances / attitudes over the last few months. I don’t think saying they have a plan / list and then wanting to take more than 24 hours to finalise it counts as lying.
     
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  13. The Professor

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    Not sure that's a problem, this time, where we are, if KLD has employed the right recruitment team & were going to play 'x' way. if johnson fails, we change manager, but the plan doesnt change...we move forward.

    example Southampton, Leicester have done this. half our problems come from we get a manger he wants to play 'x' style, he fails, we get a manger who want to play 'y' style & we buy loads more player....the cycle moves on....the hole gets bigger.

    as for Lincoln...we were the best side for 1/4 of the tie....not good enough...simple
     
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  14. Southern A

    Southern A Well-Known Member

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    he’ll have known what he plans to do. I just don’t think anybody should / will be rushing into any decisions within 24 hours of a gutting defeat, even if they’re 99% sure what they’re planning.

    If we had a game next week I’d agree for the need for urgent haste. And we absolutely need to get a move on in the transfer market, but making all the announcements and final decisions can wait 24 hours.
     
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    Good post. I am in the keep Johnson camp and I think he deserves another season. I do worry about the jekyl and hyde performances though. It was like two different teams yesterday. We said on here at half time yesterday they needed to start the second half at a 100 miles an hour to stop them getting into the game. They were pedestrian though. I dont know what changes in the break for that. Earlier in the season I seem to remember games where we were hopeless first half and transformed second half. Whatever happens we are guaranteed a change because so many are out of contract.
     
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    Bank of England 2 Well-Known Member

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    Phraseology. The list will still be being prepared tomorrow morning then, even though it has probably been written out and rubber stamped for quite a while now.
     
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    Magnus Well-Known Member

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    Pompey goalkeeper anyone ?
     
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    Nig Well-Known Member

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    I never called for Reid's head,
    Honestly I had faith in him.
    I loved his "fook it, I'm doing it my way" attitude.
    He was honest and straight talking and you could see the players liked him.
    I remember getting excited we'd signed Niall Quinn and a mate saying he was a donkey.
    He ate his words :D


    Best times I've known. Really good times. Love the bloke.

     
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  19. Iain

    Iain Well-Known Member

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    Totally agree with that I was replying to someone that suggested we give Johnson the time to build his own squad. Just pointing out that's not his job, he's there to coach the first team squad.
    I think we will have the right recruitment this time I just hope we have the right coach
     
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  20. The Norton Cat

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    We haven't been promoted. That's your one setback. The order that the results came in doesn't matter now. We weren't good enough over the course of the season. Thats down to two main things: the abilities of the players (which is the greater of the two) and the decisions made by the manager (which is the lesser of the two). Bearing in mind that Johnson wasn't responsible for the decisions made by Parkinson, he can't take sole blame for us not being promoted.
    As you say, he has the ability to change a game with his substitutions. He demonstrated that again at half time on Wednesday. You're not going to be succesful with that every time; your opponent has the option to change things too.
    His reason for bringing Flanagan on over Jones on Saturday were reasonable. We may not agree with them but there was logic behind them. There's no scattergun approach.
    Ultimately, Johnson should have learnt from what's happened this season. If he hasn't, he'll be fired. But he's not done anything wrong to prevent him being given the chance to prove that he's learnt.
     
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