Grand Prix thread Formula 1 Pirelli British Grand Prix 2021

When you think of the stick Hamilton has got for this it’s ridiculous. Also, you can really see how far up alongside Lewis was. He was pretty much side by side.

 

Shame it resulted in a collision there. Could have been an epic battle for a couple of laps.

 

https://www.planetf1.com/news/max-verstappen-iracing-cats/

That click bait headline!! XD

 

Good grief. They spun an article out of that?

 

That's about normal for them. Planet F1 is p*ss poor, but the worst is GiveMeSport which is troll level.

 

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/1...ns-penalty-in-max-verstappen-british-gp-crash

RBR have officially asked for a review of Lewis' penalty.

 

Wouldn't shock me if they're somehow successful tbh....But it's going to be nuts of they are. This one just doesn't want to go away.

 

I think it sets a dangerous precedent if they are successful.

 

WTF are Red Bull playing at.

Their boy moved across the straight to give Lewis nowhere to go other than inside and then decided to take the racing line - aggressively so in my opinion given how far left he could have still gone and made the corner- and pretend his title rival wasn’t there.

There’s an argument that Max was off the track to hold position earlier in the lap IMHO too but im not a steward.

I’m hardly a Lewis fan but for goodness sake, we had half a lap of stupendously good racing between champions and neither budged. Sure, Hamilton got lucky he had no damage and Max unlucky it led to a high speed trip to the wall.

Its BS like this that makes me very quickly remember how unbearable RBR were when they were dominant- an absolute bunch of idiots. How can we ever expect Max to mature when Horner sets a tone like this?

Truthfully, the best boss Max could have is Toto. Dangerous precedent being set by Red Bull with this.

 

It's not going to be great if they do succeed... That's for sure.

IMO, it should just be thrown out, but you just never know. I'm not sure they'd pursue it unless they thought they had a real chance. But every single racing incident will be challenged after the event if they do succeed.

 

I have a bad feing about this.

If they lose ( RBR) I hope they get some sort of penalty . Perhaps a lack of the ability to challenge anything for 1 year ? I don't know , but Horner and the Helmet have stooped to New lows IMHO .

I wonder what DM thinks about all this ?

I also wonder what Honda think about it...

 

My reading of it is RBR have to present new evidence, if they can't then it won't be heard.

The FIA’s International Sporting Code permits a right to review if “a significant and relevant new element is discovered which was unavailable to the parties seeking the review at the time of the decision concerned”.

If Red Bull do not meet that criteria - and it is unknown at this time what they intend to present - the request will be rejected. Should the stewards feel it meets the criteria, the investigation will be reopened.

I am deeply concerned at the president this is setting.
It does indicate the RBR believe their championship changes are destroyed, they are risking whatever reputation they have.
I can only assume there is a loophole somewhere in the regulations that the lawyer has found.

I hope they are refused and RBR go into a sulk and leave the sport, I won't miss them

 

I'm not sure what new evidence they're going to find, surely all telemetry, etc was available at the time.

If Red Bull are being smart, this is a cynical ploy to put more pressure/attention on Hamilton, and perhaps make stewards pause before penalising Hamilton similarly in the future.

If Red Bull aren't being smart, this is pointless, toys-out-the-pram behaviour from a team who can't accept things not going their way.

 

As I have said . I wonder what Honda make of all this ? Yes RBR have the rights , but they are relying on Honda people to carry on for a while .

 

All this is going to do is remove the 2 penalty points off Hamiltons license when they decide its a racing incident.

That helps Red Bull how?

 

That would be great if that's the outcome. They're like a dog with a bone though. They must have something up their sleeve.

 

There is something they believe is important that we haven't comprehended yet. I think it will be to do with the line Lewis took when Max gave room to Lewis who filled it when in fact Max was just positioning to make the corner. It is less dramatic than the Rosberg Lewis clash (was it Spain?) when Rosberg turned very late. Something like that in my view.
They are fighting this hard because they are expecting a grid penalty in the future, if not two, I suspect.

 

I'll be honest, I'm not sure what angle they are going to go for, but I've watched it so many times and I'm just not seeing what they can run with. Both could have avoided this, both seemed to be way too focused on attacking/defending than actually making the corner cleanly, one under steers, one slams the door. I'm not sure what else they can take from it. The stewards had a good amount of time to evaluate it prior to the restart, and they put the majority blame in Hamilton's court. Whacked him with a pen, and the rest is history.

They must feel they have something though. But if they do change the penalty and give Hamilton a grid drop or worse, you can absolutely expect Max continue to make any future passing attempt equally as risky as he did all that weekend.

I love tough, hard racing...but even I thought it was a bit borderline.

 

There is the implication that Max is not bullet proof if Merc are allowed to continue with no further penalty. Is there a consequence that Max will have to modify his style or that he can try and pass on the inside of Lewis. Maybe clarity will enable RBR to determine how Max should both defend and attack in future. Maybe establishing documented precedent is as much an outcome as any change in the ruling/penalty.

 

Probably more down to them wanting to reduce their losses and continue to completely back Max regardless of what he does.

This is what, Max's seventh season in the sport? We've really not moved very far in seven years. If he somehow managed to not win title this season, I wonder if he might change approach slightly. The guy has amazing talent, would be a shame if it were wasted.