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Why aren’t we spending?

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  1. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

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    I’m blaming the lack of money spent, which has resulted in a team of a lot of youngsters.

    If we are not going to spend I’d rather see our youngsters, but I also understand we could be spending more time in this division.

    Let’s not forget, when the KLD took over the club, you described it as a Man City situation.

    What exactly did you mean by that?
     
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    E.T. Fairfax Well-Known Member

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    I suspect that the money you expect us to spend we would be aiming in the Championship quality bracket. However these are players who generally would not want to drop a division or suffer a reduction in wage. League One transfers tend to consist of free transfers and loans. Few cost a fee, anyone who costs half decent money (hundreds of thousands of £'s), play in the Championship. Occasionally our club status might be a factor when competing for transfers with mid/lower Championship teams, particularly since the takeover. However these players would be few and far between. We are a League One team situated at the northern outpost of England. On paper I find that the players that we have managed to drag up here during this window to be quite an achievement. In practice? We shall wait and see.
     
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    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

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    So Leicester is what your aspiring to?

    A once in a lifetime achievement, unless you can give me other examples?
     
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    The Exile II Well-Known Member

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    Dig some steps. That'll work.
     
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  5. Examples,and counter examples, are due from you...still waiting.
     
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    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

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    Man City, Chelsea.

    Neither team were winning major honours before money, now they are.

    As for our division, Peterborough and hull finished in the top 2 last season. Both among the highest spenders in the league.

    Apart from Leicester. Can you give me an example of a team that’s competing for and winning major honours on a low budget.
     
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  7. Well,you've quoted two,but provided no facts to back it up.Were Hull and Pboro the highest spenders?.... and no counter examples.....e.g.Wycombe...any others?
    Just quoting Man C,Chelsea,Man U and the to PL others doesn't support your argument.....it's comparing chalk with cheese.
     
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    OldNewtown Well-Known Member

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    Historically Nottingham Forest didn't do too bad going from Div 2 to Div 1 to European Cup
    Yes I know they signed Francis, Shilton et al but compared to other top clubs at the time the spending wasn't excessive
     
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    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

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    I’ve given some examples, if you don’t agree with them, disprove them.

    It doesn’t look like you have anything to back up your argument apart from Leicester? A once in a lifetime achievement.
     
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  10. :emoticon-0118-yawn: As I said,we're done.
     
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    we were relegated to League One in 2018, alongside Burton and Barnsley. Bolton survived that day. I don't think Barnsley spent a vast fortune getting promoted
    There isn't necessarily a correlation between money spent and success, its dependant on who its spent on and whether out of contract players are available. We could spend up to £4m on Grigg and far less on Stewart, I know who I would rather have
    Peterborough's spend in summer of 2020 was mostly Johnson Clarke Harris and some kid from Barnet, for a total of less than £2m.There were 4 or 5 more undisclosed, free or loans. A quick check of Hull City and they had 4 loans, 4 frees and 6 undisclosed, not exactly big spenders
    Its also an unfair comparison due to us having the ridiculous wages that we had to put up with, well basically we did exactly what you want us to do now but be better at it. We spent big on any old nugget beforehand. If that didn't open supporters eyes to the situation then I don't know what will
    Id love to be in a position to spend money, speculate to accumulate, but we need to be rid of the sand foundations first
     
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    When proven wrong change the argument eh?
     
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    Athletico Madrid. Lille.
     
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    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

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    Athletico Madrid?

    Maybe you should check their wage bill, and the massive fees they’ve paid out for players in recent years.

    One example being they paid €113 million for joao felix a couple of years ago <doh>
     
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    league one, the division we are in as rightly stated, rarely have 'big spends' as it is not needed, most clubs get promoted without spending loads (we spent a whole league one budget on one player plus wages and that turned out well), comparing the premier league to any other is pointless as last place in the premier league will net you over 100 million pounds, the top 6 and euro football means not only can a club spend it means they have to so they can maintain that position.

    as explained so many feckin times, sunderland football club came down the leagues with a premiership type wage structure and it could not afford to keep that up, hence the complete restructure and 'double sale' of the club and it is only now starting to get to that sustainable position...it quite simply cannot spend it's way out of trouble even if it wanted to, it has to be built up from the foundations.

    i believe the current structure is the right way, spend wisely on just the right player (if needed) and fill the squad with hungry young players able to make the step up with some experience included for that calming, collected side...it will not guarantee promotion but nor would spending millions and throwing millions on wages to attract players from the higher leagues, they will not drop a division or two without a good wage promised or unless they need a platform to rebuild a career, thinking that just because we are safc that players will want to flock to us is stupidity.

    remember also that there are spending restrictions in place in all leagues now.
     
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    It's obvious, loads of other people understood.

    It's a similar situation because both clubs were in the doldrums and the supporters demoralised.

    Both sets of supporters will have those who are reluctant to believe things are different and that the potential for change is finally there.

    Both clubs have gone from being financially fragile to having significant funds, a professional infrastructure and a clear plan.
     
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    Stop swearing!
     
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    Brentford seem to be doing OK on limited funds. Early days for the prem but they're doing OK so far
     
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    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

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    That’s the case with many takeovers.

    But you deliberately picked out Man City, who have spent fortunes on both infrastructure and playing recruitment.

    A potentially very misleading statement for someone who claimed to be in the know.
     
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  20. Exactly! @Dancingstripes hasn't mentioned them...despite being invited to! They don't suit his winding! :emoticon-0102-bigsm :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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