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Mags embarrassing themselves yet again

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  1. TopCat_

    TopCat_ Well-Known Member

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    There is absolutely nothing to be gained in buying an established PL club that is outside the top 6 - The only people buying clubs are either ridiculously wealthy (Man City/PSG) and those on an ego trip, lumbering the club with millions of debt (Man Utd)

    Buying Newcastle would cost what? £300m? Is that the figure that has been mooted? So, you take your £300m and wave goodbye to it. Then you look at the squad - is it good enough to stay up? Just about. Is it good enough to compete for the top 6? Not a chance. So, spend another £200m (assuming you can bend the FFP rules) and gamble on getting top 4 (unlikely). Where are the rewards? Extra revenue for CL football? Sure, but you now need to pay top level wages/transfer fees just to sustain it - then you are always running the risk of dropping out of the top 4 and having unsustainable squad sizes/wage bills

    Genuinely don't see what the attraction is. As you state, the obvious thing to do is to buy a club that is set up for the PL but has fallen on hard times. Maybe a Championship club or even L1. Spend a 10th of what you would on buying Newcastle. Spend another £100m to get them up to the PL, then sell to some mug for a huge profit once you are in the PL.

    If I were a billionaire THAT is the model I would be following - it's like those property developers in the 00s who hoovered up cheap housing, did them up and sold them for a massive profit.

    There are loads of eligible clubs with potential. Rinse and repeat
     
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  2. Neil

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    Can't William Storey buy them? That would be a match made in heaven.
     
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    Essayyeffcee Well-Known Member

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    And to add to your response, repairs to the stadium which would run into the millions as well as creating a state of the art training ground which other Premier League teams now have - more millions!
     
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  4. Smug in Boots

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    Will they ask the Leeds supporters to join them in their protest as they did with Brighton ...

    ... Leeds, a club that virtually went bankrupt and dropped to the 3rd division.

    The daft Mags will be asking us to join in with a funeral march between the two grounds next <laugh>
     
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  6. QWOP

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    Mouth of the Tyne is the biggest plonker on the planet.

    This take over nonsense needs resolving ASAP. I'm tired of it and have been skeptical throughout. I doubt the conspiracy stuff as that's just ludicrous. Some of our fans have become hysterical and are acting stupidly.
     
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  7. Sunderpitt

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    We all have idiots though...

    Personally I have always reckoned, Ashley sorted you out financially after the previous mob took the club for all it was worth.

    He cannot fund the club like an Oil country would... but you have to pick your country, not one that chops journalists to bits. I have always thought HMG said to the FA... find a way to say no... no sport-washing.
     
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  8. QWOP

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    It's a tough one. He's had to bail us out because he failed to do due diligence to begin with. He has no sympathy from me there. The issue is, he wants his money back and the valuation placed on the club is steep.

    As a fan base, we see a club which is, at best, stagnating, and at worse, going backwards. Another relegation will likely see us do what you did! For a club that has never been in the 3rd tier, that is unfathomable.

    With regards to any new ownership, I won't lie, I don't care who comes in so long as they undertake a modicum of investment. Our infrastructure is a joke! The stadium and training facilities are horrendous.
     
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  9. Smug in Boots

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    I'd buy Charlton based on what I think I know.

    They own their ground, used to pull in 60,000 and would be cheap to buy. They're across the river from City airport and close to Biggin Hill that takes private jets. It's close to the river at which point it's deep enough for big yachts.

    I'd buy out the nearby industrial land on the river, which is grim and poorly situated, asphalt factory, scrapyards and a waste plant. I'd keep playing at the Valley, until the new stadium is totally ready, then sell it or develop it.

    You'd have no transport issues as there's tube and railway nearby, even a ferry plus there's a mosque for all yer Johnny forinners guv. So no problem for the Wags, just down from the shops, or visiting dignitaries and in a built up area for the Hoi Poli.

    Job done and no screaming Geordies shouting at your shops when you're not in the top six in the first season.

    Charlton are a good buy in contrast to their neighbours Millwall whose supporters hold them back.
    They're well placed but their hooligans haven't moved on, just trained their kids to be like them.

    I honestly think the endless Mag coffin-carrying puts buyers off.
     
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  10. Saf

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    What's most of that letter have to do with Amanda Staveley? He might as well have been writing that bollox to the manager of my local herons <doh>
     
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  11. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Call to arms! They've got some imagination on them.
     
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  12. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    See, this is the problem.

    Lots of supporters can see this in their clubs but don't carry on the same way because they know these things go in circles. Look at the clubs that go from boom to bust and back again ...

    ... Forest, Derby, Norwich, Ipswich, Portsmouth, Southampton, Sheff Utd/Wed, Wolves, Villa, West Brom, Bournemouth, Sunderland, Boro, Barnsley, Huddersfield, etc, etc, etc.

    How many of those have marched through the streets, written to the PM, involved their MPs, marched on the Capital, issued death threats, etc.

    I really believe the manic intensity puts buyers off ....

    ... whereas the Mags think it's seen as passion and attractive.

    No offence mate
     
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  13. samwise_new

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    sky has ruined football with the premier league, they also make sure those 'top six' get the vast majority of publicity...newcastle now have as much 'pull' as the rest of us, 'our' aim is to get to that (now fabled) 10th spot in the big league, below that is often viewed as being in a relegation fight with 10th being the best position to build from and maybe, just maybe get a chance of sneaking into the top six.

    then you look at grealish and realise you are going to need a minimum of 125 million per player (transfer fees, add ons, bonus', wages and everything else that comes with the package now) if you are going for top players and even then you have absolutley no guarantee that they will form a team or get you up amongst the top six, you could spend a lot less of course but then the chances of getting the top money become much reduced, if this expensive squad do manage the euro places then the obvious aim is to stay there and places are limited, so if say three or four more clubs manage to compete then some will lose out on the euro cash and have to take a big hit.

    premier league teams now need an owner who is not bothered about losing billions (never mind millions) as they will need to put cash in on a regular basis as well as spend plenty just to 'catch up'...i think newcastle had their chance, even if all these protests actually were to have an effect on cashley and he decides to lower his asking price, euro glory will not be as straight forward as many seem to think...in fact, it might be in their best interests to drop down the leagues and clear the decks from top to bottom and rebuild...although even then, considerable investment is going to be needed on the ground alone.
     
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  14. Sunderpitt

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    Could they not sell the ground and make a lot of money on the sale and move to a cheaper location?
     
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    Do they own it?
     
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  16. QWOP

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    I wish more of our fans were as level headed as I am <laugh>. The thought of marching with a coffin and poorly spelled signs makes me sick! I voted with my wallet and don't attend matches anymore. They are enough chumps to take my place though so fat Mike won't care ha.

    Could it be, and I say this cautiously, that nufc (and safc to be fair) mean more to people up here than those who support those other clubs, hence the visceral reaction? Are there actually any Middlesborough fans nowadays?
     
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  17. samwise_new

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    well, when the previous owner was still around they tried to find a suitable place to relocate and got knocked back at every choice by the 'jordy nayshun' who all love the team so much...they then proceeded to cram as many seats as possible into sid james just to beat the capacity of the SoL.

    there may be something in selling the ground or trying to relocate as the ground currently sits in a prime position for city developers but i believe the ground is rented from the council anyway so i think that would mean buying the club at cashleys price, buying land to build a new stadium on (if they can gain public support this time) then building the new stadium as well as altering some access roads THEN buying the old stadium/land from the council...now apparently the rueben brothers had some kind of interest but they are, as far as i know, property developers so the new stadium route would seem best for them as they own land around sid james/city center anyway but as i said, they tried the town moor and as far out as gosforth as well as other 'close by' areas for a new stadium but unless they were prepared to build well away from the city there was no where that wanted them to build.
     
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  18. Sunderpitt

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    What's on the old Armstrong military factory?
     
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  19. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    No, they don't own the land, only the stadium.

    The land can't be sold as it's in the hands of the town and not the council.

    If they return the land it would have to be cleared of the stadium which would cost a fair bit.
     
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    They are knackered in other words...
     
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