Match Day Thread Hungary v England

They are playing for England, not for themselves as individuals, no one asked them to demonstrate their own political beliefs.

If they wish to share their political thoughts or insights, perhaps they could do so through their social media accounts?

Happy to have cleared this up for you..

 

Yet their reasons are not political.

 

Absolute pittance.. no wonder they aren't getting a grip of it

 

They are representing the country, a country that does not lower itself to the standards we saw the Hungarian fans sink to. If they want to take the knee against racism, they damn well should.

FIFA and UEFA are doing bugger all, if the players feel they need to be the ones to set the example, so be it.

I'm pretty sure they all share the belief that racism can go suck a dick, it's not as though it's one player forcing the rest of them to do it. Even the manager is speaking out about it, I'm not sure why you think racism is political, it's got nothing to do with politics and everything to do with people being utter ****s.

 

A stricter punishment in order for these countries to sort it out would be banning them from the next tournament or points deductions, and that includes us ! Then more would seek to put their own house in order !

 

I agree that they all (or at least nearly all) believe that "racism can go suck a dick", as do the vast, vast majority of the general public.
Surely we are not talking though about 'racism', we are talking about the ridiculous action of 'taking a knee'. And what you don't know though is what each individual player is thinking - I would not be in the least bit surprised if some, even maybe many, feel compelled to do it when they individually would rather not or have different thoughts i.e. so, yes, I reckon some are actually feeling 'forced' to do it.
It's utterly pointless and stupid.
And as Kalman nicely alluded to, it also highlights the gross hypocrisy in sport and in our society generally.
Just play damn football and be good role models (oops, hypocrisy again).

 

Man says “we can’t know what players are thinking” then tells us what players are thinking.

 

A friend and I were chatting (yes, chatting. To say discussing would give our musing some intellectual, erudite purpose) about the catalyst for this taking the knee. From being kids, seeing stuff on the telly, the years roll by, and we end up watching a murder as it happens, and in that fifty odd years we realised, "Nothing has really changed, has it?"
This gimmick is not going to change anything. Sadly. And I do not have an answer, other than to paraphrase Stephen Toast, stop been utter ****s.

 

No I didn't!!
"I would not be in the least bit surprised if .."
"I reckon ..."
It was purely, clearly, my opinion, my guess, my suspicion.

 

I still don’t understand why people try and make it political when it’s quite clearly an anti racism gesture. If that’s what they see as an avenue for anti racism, why are people complaining?

 

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Yep, good on Sheffield United for doing it, and good on our players for applauding them.

 

Nice to see our players not making the divisive gesture.

 

If it's divided between those who see it as an anti racism gesture and those who don't, I'm fine with that.

 

It's the gesture used by a controversial American lobby group it has no place in an English football.

 

Taking the knee recent origin - it was originated by American football player Colin Kaepernick on September 1, 2016, in protest against the lack of attention given to the issues of racial inequality and police brutality in the United States. Kaepernick's protest led to a wider series of national anthem protests.

I'd say that's pretty on point .. the underlying theme being RACISM !

 

I'm aware of its origins.

Police brutality in another country is not something that regards English football.