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  1. blueturk the cat

    blueturk the cat Well-Known Member

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    Derby County: Championship club file notice to appoint administrators
     
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    blueturk the cat Well-Known Member

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    possible 21 point deduction
     
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    ninian opinion Well-Known Member

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    Ok ok ok the people who run that basket case of a club should be pilloried but you’ve got to feel for the fans if this happens.

    They’re no different to us; they look forward to each game, they live breathe and digest all that’s their club but they’re fettered by the actions of those who run the club.

    Without fans there’d be no football. Us fans are secondary. It’s all about money, ego and it’s greed pure and simple.
     
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    blueturk the cat Well-Known Member

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    As Gary Nev said on Sky earlier ....It's Prem at all costs with newer owners.
     
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    Got to feel for the fans but not for the club.
     
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  6. BrizzleBluebird

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    We, as fans, really need to hope that some or all of the recommendations from that fan led review (was it Tracey Crouch?) get implemented and real change happens in the game.

    How many more clubs need to get perilously close or actually will go to the wall before common sense and a shake up of some form prevails?

    Fans really need to reign in expectations too. How many times do we see fans grumbling about signings not being good enough, whilst imploring their club to go after bigger, more expensive signings?

    I read boards such as the Jacks and Wurzles. So much vitriol towards the owners of both clubs yet neither would likely be in existence were it not for the likes of Hugh Jenkins or Steve Lansdown.

    We ourselves need to be grateful to VT for keeping us afloat, despite all his errors in the past and clear lack of understanding of the game. (To be fair, since the change back to Blue is think the mood towards him has become far more magnanimous, especially on here).

    It really is a shame in some ways that the big 6 and the Prem didn't break apart.
    To my mind a massive seismic shock like that is the only thing that will allow the reset button to be pressed.
     
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    I see Wycombe now considering legal action against Dastardly Direby.

    If I'm reading things properly then Mel Morris knew they were screwed well before the Football League threatened the points deduction last season but of course tried to challenge everything just to keep them from getting the deduction he knew would come if they were open and honest (he knew it'd be 4 points).

    He's trying to blame the FL of course.

    Can't really blame Wycombe for considering it. Theyve worked out its cost them between £15-20 million.

    Hate all the legal wrangling but again, Derby as a club deserve it. Sadly the fans don't.
     
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    BluefromBridgend Well-Known Member

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    Good posts BB.

    Morris seems to be a real slimey piece of work. Blaming everyone but his management.

    While the club/fans/players will certainly suffer you can bet your bottom dollar he will have squirreled away as much of whatever money he put in as he can.

    I only hope that when investigations take their course he will be subject to the same penalties financial and otherwise, that a director of any other failed company would suffer.
     
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  9. Redprintt

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    The Derby fans were more than happy to watch their team win with players accrued through 'creative accountancy'.
    They were beating teams who were playing by the book and the fans of these teams suffered.
    No sympathy from me, happy if they got a 'Swindon'.
     
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  10. Oldsparkey

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    Agree to an extent RP, but fans of any club would have had no knowledge or input into what was going on behind the scenes.

    Most of us suffer from the mushroom syndrome - kept in the dark and fed ****. No sympathy for Morris and the club whatsoever.

    As a club, they should suffer the harshest of penalties - and that may need to be a 2 division drop (at least).
     
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  11. BrizzleBluebird

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    Similar view to Sparky from me too.

    I'm sure their fans were all happy bringing in big name players and packing the squad out with other good Championship level players too, but that's the same for all of us really.
    None of us really know what's going on in the boardroom and behind the scenes.
    Fans all over the world demand success these days like it's some kind of right regardless of the circumstances.

    Take our lot for instance. For many, now we've had some (limited) success and drunk from the golden chalice that is the Premier League, anything less than pushing for promotion is now disastrous and unacceptable.
    We should be going after much bigger players than what we have by all accounts.

    Issue is, many forget that mid-table security in the Championship isn't such a bad place to be, especially when you look at our history.

    Same for your boys Redprint. I often swing by your board for a read and so often there's talk of how effed up you are at board level. Lansdown no longer interested... rugby more important to him etc. yet where would you be without him and his millions he's already spent?
    I appreciate you guys have had success in selling players on for good fees, but still, I'm sure you were all happy buying the likes of Kala, Famara and Messengo for tidy sums of money.... did anyone really stop to wonder if the club could really, truly afford it in the long run?

    Nope, sadly as fans we have no real control over who we buy or wages paid, and we're reliant on the owners to be managing it all effectively.

    It's a real mess. Fans want success, Premier League riches and fame, owners want the cash on offer at the top table rather than being content with the crumbs that are received lower down, even though in a lot of cases it should be enough to remain sustainable and the media make the glittering prize of the Premier League sound like the only thing that matters.

    Change has to start coming from the clubs. Players and agents have to start being told to eff off with stupid wage demands, realistic objectives and messaging needs to be flowed down to the fans and fans have to start accepting that success may take a long time to build if you want a stable, well run club.
     
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    Morning Brizzle, you mention change has to start somewhere.
    What about levelling up the mad gulf in monies between the Prem and the EFL, starting with the very unfair parachute payments.
    Check out who invariably are top of the Championship, Fulham and WBA.
    Bet your life they'll get promoted again.
    It's just grossly unfair and one reason why the likes of Morris gamble themselves into administration.
     
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    Its about impossible for us punters to know what is going on with club finances even when accounts are published.
    Headline P and L hides a multitude of sins, especially when it comes to transfer fees paid and ammortised over the length of a contract.
    Ive a feeling our board is trying to do the right thing with MM tasked with balancing the books as much as pushing for promotion. He did a decent enough job of that at Ipswich.
    Though their fans wanted him out, they seemed in a better position while he was there.
    Similar situation developing across the Severn? Old head, trim the fat.

    With direby being rumbled, who is next?
    Fulham might find themselves in difficulties if they dont go straight back up.

    Going back to a regular debate, a long term strategy, teams like Brentford, Coventry and previously the Swans have built success on a sustainable model. Burnley even.
    Still concerned that we keep lurching from tactic to tactic without a visible strategy.
     
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    The talk is of doing away with parachute payments.
    However, that doesnt close the gap, it widens it. Instead of some of the PL money coming to the championship, none of it does.
    Also makes staying in the PL more difficult for promoted clubs and coming out of the PL more catastrophic.
    Clubs wont pay bigger wages or big transfer fees if relegation kills the club.
    The PL in and of itself is the problem. Its almost a closed shop already. With 3 clubs being visitors from time to time.
     
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    Good posts again guys.

    No more to add other than your last point Remote. Tactic to tactic? I wish. We only seem to have one. <doh>
     
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    Morning mate.

    Wholeheartedly agree.... that's a part of the problem.
    In my view the Premier League is an abomination and was one of the worst things to happen to the football pyramid.

    I see Remote references a few clubs known for being well run (or at least they were).
    Sadly even our little cousins down the road eventually got screwed over by the Premier League by reaching beyond their means to try and stay there after getting there rather unexpectedly really.
    Having the likes of Ayew on £80k a week while in the Championship and watching your crowds drift away (putting covid to one side) is completely unsustainable, yet they put themselves in that situation anyway in the vain attempt at retaining their top tier status.
    The Premier League sadly perpetuates this behaviour and it's driven by the wealthy clubs who happily pay £50k plus per week to mediocre players or youth players who then expect that kind of money and more elsewhere.

    It all needs a total rebalancing that sadly will never come as those at the top don't want fair or equal competition.
     
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    In many ways it was a shame the European Super League fell through.
     
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    Even after just 5 games, the Prem has virtully assumed the finishing 10/10 top/bottom half split.

    Maybe Brighton and Brentford are surprises in the top 10, but the rest are the same old clubs. In that bottom half, only Leicester and Arsenal are adrift, but the rest already down there in reality will be battling just to stay up.

    As for the eventual trap door clubs, Norwich look out of their depth after such a strong season winning the Championship, and I wonder if Leeds have been found out after they did so well last season?

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    Not got the time to get into a discussion on that Sparks. If it had been allowed to happen it would have been even more catastrophic for the remaing clubs with so much money being leeched out of our leagues.

    How the whole thing is resolved I don't know.

    Why not annual World Cups, Africa Cups and American ones. Just take all the best players out permanently and let the countries FA's fund them.

    That is said tongue in cheek as the FA's would have heart attacks at the cost and maybe TV would get bored.
     
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    Agree about the TV money going their way Bluey, but it might have been a chance to "reset" our national football structure for all clubs in this country, rather than constantly feathering the nests of the chosen few..
     
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