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Discussion in 'Charlton' started by The Penguin, Sep 19, 2021.

  1. The Penguin

    The Penguin Well-Known Member

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    The recruitment team recommends a player based on stats, scouting, algorhythms (sic) and whatever else, as we are told. The manager's input appears to me to be quite minor, as opposed to the days when Curbs would watch a player 6 or 7 times, home and away, then welcome the player to the club, and would say how glad they were to get him, they'd been after him for some time. What player wouldn't be motivated by this reception? It seems Adkins will be out soon, but his successor will be in the same position, ie headcoach, rather than manager. And it's the manager (or head coach) who stands or falls by recruitment, not the recruitment team. SCP was pretty successful until he had players foisted on him that he'd never seen. I don't think you can beat high quality scouting, and Ronnie is an example of a player who wasn't scouted.
     
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    I'd imagine the recruiting of players does not change a great deal throughout the league.
     
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  3. The Penguin

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    All seems a bit messy to me.
     
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    I naively thought that our business would be done earlier, to properly bed the players in. Instead we are lagging behind, bringing players up to match fitness in league games, sacrificing points.

    Having all these strangers together means we haven’t got a settled team. We play one way - hoof it up to Stockley. Far too easy to defend against when he’s on his own. We have no other way of playing.

    We have signed some young first team players on 2-3 year deals, which is promising. I haven’t written them off yet, so I’m hoping we won’t need another last minute trolley dash next summer. Naive again, I know
     
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  5. lardiman

    lardiman The truth is out there
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    I hope that's all it is.

    If we lose often enough though then confidence drains away and players expect to lose.
    Then each passing game becomes about not being among those who'll get the most blame. They take little heed of the manager anymore, and as soon as something goes wrong (an opposition goal usually) the match is lost.

    We saw this under Fraeye and most memorably under Pardew towards the end of his time.
    On both occasions, even a change of manager did not halt the slide to relegation.

    Granted, from watching home games alone I have not seen heads go down yet like we saw back in the winter of 2008-09.
    But we can only be two or three more defeats away from seeing it, if nothing is done.
    When the towel gets thrown in like that, we are on our way to League Two.
     
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  6. The Penguin

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    What's happened to Clare, one of our first signings? Have I missed something? Is our midfield better without Pratley or Shinnie?
     
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  7. Butterfield

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    I think he picked up an injury.

    When he’s played alongside Dobson, I don’t think we’ve been overrun in midfield.

    Granted, there’s no creativity there and they don’t like taking the ball off of the centre halves.

    I’d like to think Albie can play that Josh Cullen role. Admittedly it seems like a stretch right now when everyone seems low on confidence.
     
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  8. The Penguin

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    Our midfielders are match-fit, Dobson, Clare, DJ, Kirk, Watson, Morgan, but aren't functioning. Instead Arter comes in, who isn't match fit. It's a mess.
     
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  9. lardiman

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    It's time for Adkins to pull his finger out.

    Fire up these players and get some battling wins - or be fired.
    No more feeling sorry for ourselves.
     
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    Imagine if we had one bloke who could do a better job of identifying, analysing, pricing, offering, negotiating and closing the deals than the 4 experienced professionals we already have !

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  11. lardiman

    lardiman The truth is out there
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    Hooray for Hollywood :emoticon-0160-movie

    Scary thought though... if we went down and they came up we'll be playing them next season! <monster>
     
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    He'd be even more confused and contradictory that usual.
     
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  13. Dick Plumb1

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    Let it go mate, I know I have.
     
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    CAST interview with Steve Gallen and Ged Roddy

     
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  15. The Penguin

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    The signing of Shockingly poor Harry Arter raises questions abahrt the whole recruitment process. He hadn't played for 6 months, and signing unscouted players just doesn't work. Rocket Ronnie and Big Mak are two other examples. We've got 3 wingers in the squad, yet only CBT who isn't fully fit looks likely to get a starting place. We're told that everyone wants success through the Academy, yet no Academy products featured yesterday unless you count Clare. Barker has gone on loan to Wealdstone, and Deji looks unlikely to feature unless Lavelle gets injured. Our defence couldn't be any worse with these two playing.
     
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    So far you couldn't say that any of our recent signings have been a success. MacG is no better than Amos, Lavelle has been OK, but from what I've seen Elerewe is on a par, Famewo has gone backwards, Dobson and Clare barely feature, Kirk has been very poor, DJ is out of favour, CBT is unreliable, Arter is only just starting to get fit, the jury is out on Souare, although our FB's don't seem to get any support in defence from the wide men. Lee could be the only one up to the job.
     
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  17. lardiman

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    Gloomy assessments, but I can't find fault with them.

    The performance has not lived up to the optimistic hype, allowing a field day for the cynics and keyboard warriors.
    This mess has to be addressed, or we're heading for a stay of unknown length in League Two.

    I do still feel though that a better manager can get more out of these players.
    Certainly enough to lift us to mid-table safety.
     
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  18. The Penguin

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    Surely we'll find that out soon. A loss on Tuesday could do the trick.
     
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  19. Ubedizzy

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    I just can't help believing that this is basically all down to money.

    I think NA was given a budget which was just too low to achieve the success we all wanted. He mentioned very early on that we have a budget, like everyone else, that we have to work to. Nothing wrong with that, but it turns out that our budget was too low.

    We were outbid for players that we wanted, we ended up refusing to deal with certain agents because they demanded too much money, and we ended up mostly getting the leftovers that no-one else wanted. Players with ongoing injury problems, players that were unfit, players that couldn't get another team.

    We didn't buy a good enough striker (Stockley is ok, but not good enough to score 20+ goals) and without that 20+ striker you won't get automatic promotion. But everyone knows that they are generally very expensive. We got lucky/did well with Taylor, but we never replaced him when he shat on us.

    We have bought cheap players and we are where we are as a result. I've said it time and time again - success in football needs significant money to be spent and we haven't done it. It may be wrong, but it's just the fact at the moment.

    It's just like the Duchatelet era, when he tried to run the club without making a loss. It's a good idea and it's how it should be, but unless all the other 23 teams in the division are doing the same, then it just won't work.
     
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  20. lardiman

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    Tuesday evening is going to be nasty unless things go really well on the pitch.

    I can't make it down there (work commitments) but I don't envy anybody who is going, to be honest.
     
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