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Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by brb, Feb 25, 2020.

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  1. should completely lock us down immediately and fook up all our Christmas'

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  2. let the bodies stack high

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  3. lock us down from the 29th to fook up Treble's plans

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  1. Diego

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    I work with a guy (bit of a dramatist so hard to know when to believe him but) he has had no problem getting scans and tests for all manner of things over the last 18 months including tests for Prostate cancer (twice) Spinal damage (three times) and knee damage (twice) plus the odd illness.
    Man is a dreamer but has shown the appointments to management so they are available when seen as needed.
     
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    I think the word avoidable you used is what's important here. Of course people will live and die. If that's all we're considering then lets do away with the health service altogether and get on with living and dying. But whilst there is a health service, and one that we're all paying for, they have a responsibility to do what they can to minimise avoidable risks in the health and well-being of people. Like I said, if it was a failed operation or treatment where the doctors had done everything, then it's one of those things. That is life and death. But where doing something as seeing someone face to face could've made the difference in diagnosing one person with canceer early enough to treat them then I really don't see the argument. I mean, there's actually not been an argument as to why we should do the majority of appointments online is there?

    The numbers of appointments in July iirc were at pre-pandemic levels (29 million iirc) so clear any remaining backlog and go back to at least offering people the choice. Those that are happy to have it online, can. Those that want it face to face, can also. Why wouldn't anyone want that?
     
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  3. brb

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    I'm just going to repeat what I said, and what Diego has highlighted in his post. I've not had a problem. It's down to you as an individual, maybe I'm more persuasive than some. Normally the first question the surgery will ask you is, is it an emergency, it requires one word....YES!
     
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  4. Diego

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    We have become far to successful at prolonging/extending life (and in a lot of cases just a semblance of life) which is why the world population has gone from 6bl to 7bl in a very short space of time.
    We live on a finite planet that can only support so much, we need to learn when to let go and just remember people we have loved as we knew them.
     
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    I get it Diego. But what about the many fit and healthy people who have rarely used the GP but get a symptom of something which had they been seen face to face could have been diagnosed early, but instead based on a remote Q & A are unnecessarily delayed in receiving that diagnosis?

    Look at this way. What exactly are you arguing against here? Giving people the choice of of face face appointments. Why?
     
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  6. brb

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    I needed to speak to my doctor today, within 2-3 hours, job done. Can't really ask for a better response than that but you won't read about these cases in the media, because it don't make great selling headlines.
     
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    Maybe for an old fart like you yeh <laugh>

    You've lived a full life mate. But for a woman in her 20's who suffers back pain and is diagnosed remotely as having a compressed nerve but later turns out to be cancer which could've been treated had she been seen initially, no. There was no need to let go ffs <doh>
     
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  8. Diego

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    Not at all mate, what i am saying is G has had no problem getting appointments and referrals all through the pandemic.
    Not saying this is typical but it's all i have to go off because i don't personally know anyone who has had problems.
     
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    It's like a witchhunt sometimes with the medical profession. I look back to my younger days, when I never had time of sick, but it was the norm back then, you carried on regardless, and got on with it, if you wanted to better yourself. Chief and Comm on here, typical examples of that attitude, workhorses and proud. Way too much crying these days.
     
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    but the doctor's surgery would never have diagnosed that in a face to face appointment. That would have been diagnosed via the hospital if referred.
     
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    So you and brb make all your judgements based on what is personally happening to you and the people around you? Even if there is a weight of evidence that this is impacting people elsewhere in the country. You're not going consider them. They don't matter or maybe they're lying. Or they're drama queens or somnt.

    I take it you support the Insulate Britain folk who are supergluing themselves on the M25 and risking the health of people trying to get to hospital. Unless it's someone you know? <whistle>
     
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    No but they would've seen enough to refer it to a hospital, is the point.
     
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    But that's all we can make a judgement on, our own experiences. I can't cry for someone elses, that some rag wants to tell us about. <laugh>
     
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    Wrong. Your description with the back excluding cancer, I would have referred you to hospital, and I'm not even a fooking doctor! A face to face appointment at the surgery would not have sorted it, you're crying over nothing bro. <whistle>
     
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    What a load of bollox, it's nothing of the sort <laugh> I've not said any of that. You don't know me brb and fwiw I dare say I've had fewer days off work sick than you.
     
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    Eh?? I've just said a face to face appointment would provide more opportunity to examine and then refer to a hospital <laugh>
     
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    oh it's a competition now, who's had the least amount of sick days, not caring so much for your patient now. Anyway, glad we could sort it over the net, with no face to face appointment, I knew you'd see sense in the end.
     
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    You're beginning to sound like Abe mate. You'll be crying about MSM next <whistle>
     
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    What do you think the doctor is actually going to examine. Show me your back please....you got a spot on your back, it's just a zit. I'll refer you to hospital, because I'm not superman and I don't have x-ray eyes.
     
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  20. Diego

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    Where da **** you get that from, i would run the lot over and then reverse just to be sure <laugh>

    For the rest i am only going off people i personally know (my youngest is a nurse and seems to back up what i hear), i can't speak for everyone in 70ml people so wonder what gets the headlines, the thousands that things go as normal for or the odd one that get's the **** end (as has always happened).
    Headlines are always made from shock news never normal life.
     
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