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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by Doc, Sep 24, 2021.

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When would the real fear set in for you (TWO VOTES EACH)

Poll closed Sep 29, 2021.
  1. If we don't beat Watford next week at ER

    50.0%
  2. Bottom 5 at Christmas

    50.0%
  3. Bottom 3 at Christmas

    20.0%
  4. If we have to sell one of our prized asetts in January

    10.0%
  5. End of the Jan transfer window

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. We're too good to go down

    20.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Doc

    Doc Well-Known Member

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    Anyone else as proud of this kid as I am. Yeah his dad will be over the moon bis mum will be in tears and many of us who have watched his development over the last few years will also be having a drink for him.
     
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  2. Doc

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    Forshaw out yet again and maybe for months with het another muscle rupture of the thigh. Yes annoying but understandably as hes been out for 2 years and it will take at least another year for him to get over all these aches strains and ligament stretches. However he will be over 31yo by the time he does which means Radz make a cock if himself and I understand why, but Forshaw isnt our midfielder hes just a sad basket case who we all wish the best for, but needs to go elsewhere because he is now stealing a wage. This will be a third year of nothingness from him. Hes a Leeds player and hes doing his best but passengers are not what we need right now we need players who can step up
     
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  3. Doc

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    Darren Anderton, Keiron Dyer, Richard Steadman, Owen Hargreaves and Adam Forshaw, Harry Kewill, Johnathon Woodgate, Jamie Redknapp and Andy Carrol are all known as the best sicknote footballers. However Forshaw is now in his third year of nothingness the rest all had on off seasons of i jury and fitness, Forshaw is a new phenonomon.
     
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  4. Doc

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    So what did we learn this weekend? Well we have players who can perform at the top level, but right now and probably through lack of confidence fail to close out games we could have won. Klich scores that goal we win. We are not a big enough squad and are missing players who would usually start. We have cover but not enough and Im afraid Tyler Roberts covers nobody and his time is up. Charlie Cresswell is now clearly part of the big picture and can now be added to the CB list of Struijk Cooper, Koch and Llorente. Summerville has taken over from Poveda/Costa. Gelhardt will deffo get a chance before long
     
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  5. ellandback

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    Equally West Ham could have scored 4 more if it wasn't for Meslier's heroics!
     
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    Proud as punch for the lad, like yourself Doc I've watched his progress with the u23s. He can only get better the more first team games he gets under his belt.<ok>
     
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    When Raph went off we lost the creativity that he brought to the game. We certainly deserved a point because we played well in patches. We are now facing a few sides who we need to get something from. Again these are the sides we need to be winning against. These games won't be easy though.<ok>
     
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  8. Doc

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    Taking Raphinha off hurt us badly as you say mate, but surely Summerville was the swap to do because the kid is capable of doing what Raph can do, maybe not as often at this level but would have been the natural RW option rather than Roberts who most accept was capable of adding zero. Dan James swap was also a waste because Jack struggled to do anything?
     
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    My tuppence worth.
    Firpo has to learn fast this next month is a great time for him learn his role. What worries me most is his positional sense simply has none from what I've seen the lad is still a rabbit in the headlights.
    If he can't sort that out doesn't matter about ability.

    Don't like slagging players off but Roberts was finished last season. he wouldn't get in any team in the Premier League so why is he getting in ours? only good thing about signing a new deal we will still get something for him. Tries and his heart is in the right place. his positional play is as good as any but the lad has no talent. can't pass, can't shoot, can't score goals.

    Am I worried ? yes and no.
    yes because we haven't won a game yet and our performances are nowhere near last season's efforts.
    No because we have had a tough start with alot going on injuries and suspensions and we aren't seeing the real Leeds at the moment.
    I'm sitting on the fence to be honest and will wait to see us field a proper team.
    All i do know is we aren't getting anywhere near European talk this season from a league point of view.
     
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  10. Doc

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    All sound words and WHU beat Man Utd last week, they will also be pushing for top 6 and Europe, so I rate them just below the top 4 teams who we will struggle against. We lost both games to WHU last season and we did play well in at least one of these games but were bullied at set pieces. Yesterday we matches them in set pieces so have improved, but they are a better team than last and we still havent a full team on the pitch yet. So we have lost 3 games now to better teams, but also drawn against a better team in Everton. So not panicking yet.
     
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    I'm not panicking but... The first 6 games are always vital in any season, we are now fighting an uphill battle. We will be behind the curve for the rest of the season while the likes of Brighton will be safe by February.

    Firpo still hasn't settled, he was missing for the first goal, until he wasn't missing when the ball hit his arse and went in. What was he doing in the box?Then in the 89th minute he should have put Rice into the stand, taken his yellow card and we'd have earned a point.

    Meanwhile Antonio went around like a bull in a china shop and levelled at least 3 Leeds players from what I can remember.
     
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  12. Doc

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    Rules in football must be consistent yet week after week we get shyti end of the stick. Raphinha gets booked for celebrating with fans 7 Fulham players climb over the barriers and celebrate with a fan but no booking. Yes I applaud the Fulham lads because they went to a young kid with cerebal palsey who had been abused on line because he posted a video of himself playing footy. But not climbing into the crowd and high fiving some fans deserves a card?
     
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    The minute Forshaw was fit we said sell him. There is fit and there is Bielsa fit, Forshaw has not the body to push for Bielsa fit and this is why we need to keep a special eye on Llorente as I’m doubting he has either
     
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    Don't disagree at all about some of the team's we have played scum,scousers,wet Spam all better teams than us and even with a full team we would of found it hard. Don't know what others feel or see but I'm seeing two different sides each half this season we come out and compete and sometimes go in unlucky at the break then we just seem to drop off. At first I thought oh well it's the start of season they just need some mins under the belt but now no excuse on fitness it's still not there for whatever reason. Last two games in particular Newcastle and Hammers.
    Still not getting any service to our lone striker wherever its Bammers or Rodrigo something which is a massive worry because he's suppose to be our goalscorer.
    As I talked to my friend after the game we both agreed this surely can't get any worse than it is now only way is forwards. when players come back and players start finding form things can only improve.
     
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  15. NostradEmus

    NostradEmus Firpo is Shit

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    Firpo was dragged across to right back by his man (Bielsa wants man to man marking). Then the ball was swung out to Bowen who had loads of space due to Firpo sticking to team orders. That meant Cooper had to go out to left back to close down Bowen. Firpo slotted in to the middle. The shot was deflected off Cooper on to Firpos arse and went in.

    That is why Firpo was out of position. He was basically doing as he was told. This relentless hassling of Firpo is getting embarrassing now. Any old excuse to have a dig.
     
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    Good point sir, but he still should have taken Rice out of it. :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  17. Doc

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    Shaks should have taken Antonio out or at least sent the ball into row z but he missed everything. The most crucial point of the game and probably his Leeds career. If he had cleared the ball he would have had a fantastic game because he more or less sid his job throughout
     
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    NostradEmus Firpo is Shit

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    Exactly this.

    The man may go past.

    The ball may go past.

    But not both together.

    Shack should have taken Antonio out at the waist. He would have got a card but we would have had a point. Sometimes you have to take one for the team.
     
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  19. Doc

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    I am watching the demise of Spurs all because of a very greedy owner who refused to take £100m cash and get Jesus thrown in, for a player who looks like a white version of Tyler Roberts. Spurs are gash and to make it worse Arteta now thinks hes better than Pep again and a very poor Arsenal are smashing the North London Derby. Nuno needs to man up and drop Kane and Dier and a few more and tell the greedy owner to keep his nose out north London smells of very rich crap footballers dictating what happens and who plays
     
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    There's talk of Berardi coming back until the end of the season. He's a free agent so can sign.
     
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