Off Topic The SIR Kenny Dalglish Public House

I wasn’t involving myself in his actual innocence or guilt, merely the process in his specific case and the legal position of his employers.

 

yeah mate and you are right on the legal position for sure.

I'd still be surprised to see him in an everton shirt again though.

 

Amherst School in Leicestershire has banned the words 'good' and 'bad' to describe pupil's behaviour. Instead teachers are to use 'skillful' and 'unskillful' when referring to behaviour.

This comes four days after Aston University issued all first year students with a list of words that they are not to use when speaking to other students. The list includes - mankind, mixed race (which mustn't be used even to describe themselves), layman, sexist, non-sexist, native, manmade, civilisation, mastercopy and British. These are only some of the words. The university says that these words are either racist, sexist or non-inclusionary and must not be spoken on campus.

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does that mean that you can use them in your second year .

Actually according to the Mail it was just an advisory note to the first year Sociology students and definitely does not ban them from using such words on campus and one would presume even in some of their work as "mixed race" for example will appear in statements / texts from people you wish to quote .

 

"British" ? Erm...

 

British is one thing in some narrow sense, but civilisation????

Ah well when they look back in 2000 years they will liken this to the fall of Rome I expect

 

How can it be a thing in any sense? It's a simple descriptor.

 

I suppose you.moght see.some.clonw saying you.are not British or something.

Or your civilisation is ****.

As I said, they'll look back in 2000 years and identify just like when the Roman empire was dependant on hired mercenaries to hold the line.

 

The guide issued to the students definitely does say that the words can't be said in conversation between students on campus. One student contacted the Free Speech Union with their concerns and they have written to the Vice Chancellor for clarification on what the consequences will likely be for using any of the words. The letter is available online (although the guide doesn't appear to be) and it contains actual quotes from the guide such as, "Do not use 'man' to mean humanity in general", there is no room for ambiguity.

 

The guide says "the idea of 'British' can imply a false sense of unity."

 

Or it describes someone’s nationality..

 

Given it’s only to sociology class has it been massively blown out of proportions and it’s actually a like an experiment to see about human behaviour to diff language etc?

 

I find the whole thing rather sinister tbh.
It reminds me of the novel 1984. I read it as a teenager and it had a profound effect on me, as it first made me realise the power of language. It's one of those things that made me into a grammar pedant.
The totalitarian regime attempts to control the way people think and behave by restructuring acceptable language (as well as by historical revisionism, surveillance and physical control).
I don't entirely agree with Orwell - I don't think that you can prevent thoughts by eradicating the words that describe them, but the inability to communicate those thoughts adequately can lead to frustration and ultimately to violence as a means of expression.
The attempt to proscribe certain terms is misguided - it's against the principles of free speech and is doomed to eventual failure imo.
Better to let people say what they want and judge them by the words they choose - not those that are chosen for them.

 

i can see nothing on mainstream sites about this apart from the Mail online and that is what i took my info from . I fail to believe that the description of what happened that is obviously circulating on social media is an accurate representation of events .

 

best thing to do is get some pale white frog face man, like farage or maybe an orange hateful bint like hopkins to take up this cause.

that will really make it look like its about free speech

 

I took my information from the letter written to the Vice Chancellor by the Free Speech Union in which he quotes extracts from the guide given to the students. Obviously the student who contacted the FSU is very concerned about it.

Limiting free speech is rife on American campuses and what happens there tends to find it's way over here.

 

So no actual evidence just a pressure groups letter . I will treat this with huge scepticism until some actual proof is provided as it still sounds like a deliberate skewing of something to make it seem to be something it isn't .

 

Proof of what?

 

Just out of interest, why do you think the government introduced it's Higher Education Freedom of Speech Bill earlier this year?

 

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The guide issued to the students definitely does say that the words can't be said in conversation between students on campus.
I can find no evidence to support this and in the FSU letter it just refers to guidance issued to members of the School of Social Sciences and Humanities and the guide is just for undergrads in programmes in Sociology and Policy .
There is no context given in the letter for the usage of the guidance .