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Match Day Thread Chelsea v Manchester United

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Chief, Nov 26, 2021.

  1. Diego

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    It had **** all to do with Ronaldo, he was doing his job and yes he was tracking back as far as the half way line but remained up as an out ball.
    The team turned to **** as a whole when they either lost interest of faith in the "system".
    The idea that Ronaldo is lazy and can't/wont chase back is pure nonsense from people who don't actually watch what he does. Rashford and Martial also used to take it in turns to stay around the halfway line as an out ball, you don't need 10 men chasing back because then you end up pinned in your own half.
    That said, i have seen Ronaldo helping Shaw out at leftback 3 times this season when we were being swamped and Rashford does it often in the same circumstances.
     
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    This is absolutely bang on. Following one game in the CL, when everyone came out with blaming Ronaldo, it transpired he had the best workrate on the pitch for that game <doh>

    Football is so fickle. The same ABU's who slated Ole over the past 18 months are now saying we're **** since Ronaldo arrived <laugh>

    But ask any one of them to actually break down what he's doing that jeopardises the team and all you get is generic meaningless phrases like "balance of the team" and "workrate" without any specifics. Because they can't, probably because they don't actually watch him or United play lol.

    As I've said before, he's the pantomime villain, and the country especially the media and ABU's hate him. And that's all this is about. You just have to spend a few minutes on the Livpl board to see it. All boils down to one the greatest players of all time playing for, and returning to, MUFC. What's sad is we have some United fans actually buying into their bitter nonsense.
     
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    FFS where did I say it was Ronaldo’s fault? I didn’t even say it was him not tracking back or not pressing . Did I say he was lazy? Nothing to do with HIS behaviour or his performance I repeat . It had everything to do with how others around him reacted to his presence, players and manager. If you can’t see that then there is nothing I can do. He is the best player we have, the best player in the world even. But no doubt while HE is performing as he should, people AROUND him were falling apart. Just 3 examples: Maguire supposed to be the captain. While he was decent last year, he fell apart this as if he felt he shouldn’t be captain. Fernandes was a fantastic player last year but he’s a shadow of himself this season. Rashford behaved like a fan in awe rather than the player he was. Ole behaved even more like a fan instead of a manager as he felt so small in his presence.

    I was hoping that the team will be and should be enhanced by his presence. But we are not. NOT HIS FAULT. Again I repeat, others in the team have to perform to their ability and not be overawed by his presence or thinking his presence alone will give us victory.
     
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    I think the vacuum created by a lack of any system or effective tactics has caused a lot that.
     
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  5. Diego

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    Bruno gets on really well with Ronaldo and if you ever watched them in the Portugal team you would know they have a great understanding, Bruno took a massive dip midway through last season and is just starting to look like himself again.
    Rashford and Greenwood should learn greatly from Ronaldo (and Cavani) if they pay attention, Maguire is getting closer to a court case abroad and started to show it at the end of last season (he shouldn't be the captain, we have no real leaders but i would have McT ahead of him as at least he is passionate and vocal).
    I answered your post in the way i did because you mentioned (implied) that our problems started with the arrival of Ronny, they didn't. It's been a long process and imo was caused by a lack of belief in what the team were being asked to do.
     
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    Of course our problems started at the end of last season. No doubt, Ole was out of his depth, with no system of his own and poor tactics as he was rarely on the side of pitch giving instructions as he was not knowledgeable enough to give instructions.

    yes we were on the way down anyway but in my mind the other players overreliance on him to score goals, their own behaviour in his presence and the way Maguire, Fernandes and others performed got even worse. Poor tactics and no system were the cause but the inability of others to play properly with CR made it worse. The falling off the cliff is no coincidence. I hope that Rangnick will be able to devise a system which can utilise the huge amount of talent at our disposal.

    You don’t have to praise CR to me. I’m one of his biggest supporters.I think Carrick’s benching him on Sunday was a nonsense but shows how others just do not know how to use him properly.
     
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    You’re still mentioning Ronaldo there. We’ve conceded how many goals since September? Surely that has absolutely nothing to do with Ronaldo. I don’t see how Ronaldo’s arrival adversely affected affected Mr fkin Maguire at the back. If that’s the thinking, we would end up blaming Ronaldo for the rise in covid cases since summer.

    Many of us here have been saying that it was only a matter of time for the wheels to come off long before Ronaldo joined. My particular issue when Ronaldo joined was that it wouldn’t fix any of the clear structural problems with the team given he is only one man which turned it to be the case. Therefore, it is baseless to attribute or even slightly associate our problems to Ronaldo’s arrival. If anything, it justifies why Ole should have never started this season as the manager. The more great players was handed to Ole, the worse he’s performed as a manager once the initial shine and lift from the said player wore off.
     
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    No wonder they say football is a matter of opinion.

    One of the views I’ve read about the best set up for CR to thrive is one where his team dominates the possession. The worst system for him is a counter attacking system where his team sits back, absorbs the pressure and counters at speed. Not that he can’t run but because that doesn’t provide him with as many chances. The best systems are the ones where the team keeps hold of the ball and puts the opposition under pressure. The ones used in some form by Chelsea City and the RS. Anyone has any doubt that he’ll improve a team like Chelsea and make them title favourites if he were their striker?

    It would be interesting to see what system or plan Carrick has against Arsenal. If he deploys CR. At OT, he surely won’t go defensive or will he?
     
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    I don’t even think Ronaldo thriving should be up for debate. Give him chances and he will score more goals than anybody else in similar position. He’s bailed the team out so many times this season already. He’s gone above and beyond in my opinion in just the short period that he’s been here.

    Rangnick will be best served to set the team up to create more chances for a solid striker to get more goals. I would put CR on the end of that without a doubt.
     
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