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Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Liverpool

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  1. jaffaklopp

    jaffaklopp Well-Known Member

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    Felt bit for Morton yesterday, up against a fully fit rested team and had zero help in the middle from Milner and Keita.

    Thought Klopp did some poor changes too, Salah wasn't even getting involved and Mané was having a good game.
     
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  2. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Tierney was an absolute ****ing disgrace <doh>
     
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  3. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    So is chris kavanagh
     
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  4. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    The main reason for the VAR not punishing Harry Kane more was that Andy Robertson was jumping when fouled — meaning the England captain did not catch him as badly as Robertson did Royal.

    Source: David_Ornstein
     
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    oh right so now you can only be sent off if your opponent doesn't take evasive action <doh>

    PGMOL are about as good as Boris at cover ups :emoticon-0112-wonde
     
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  7. jaffaklopp

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    Lol, if Robertson allowed Kane to break his leg then it would have been red
     
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    It's pathetic. It really is.

    Plus it's not as if Robbo completely got out of the way - Kane went into Robbo's ankle!!
     
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  9. johnsonsbaby

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    Considering we top the fairplay league regularly, for one referee to be handing us out that many cards in so few games is very suspicious. We already know Kavanagh is the worst referee of the sorry lot so adding him on VAR yesterday it was a miracle we escaped with a draw.
     
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    Yep <ok>
     
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  11. Prince Knut

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    Yep, Peter Walton just said the same in the Times too. Being eviscerated in the comments section as we speak. Also said the Jota thing was a pen, but VAR were right not to intervene as it wasn't a clear and obvious error. So **** knows what VAR is for then. :emoticon-0138-think
     
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    PREMIER LEAGUE | PETER WALTON
    Peter Walton: VAR was inconsistent with Andrew Robertson and Harry Kane. The threshold for reds changed during the game

    Peter Walton

    Monday December 20 2021, 12.01am, The Times
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    Kane’s yellow can be defended . . .
    Tottenham Hotspur’s Harry Kane was booked after a sliding challenge resulted in him catching Andrew Robertson’s shin with his studs. The Liverpool manager Jürgen Klopp was aggrieved with the decision, saying after the match that Kane’s challenge definitely warranted a red card.

    The law is strict when a player lunges in as Kane did. Whether it is from the front, side or back, a challenge like that always risks a red card, especially when contact is made above the ankle. If the on-field referee, Paul Tierney, had considered the incident to be serious foul play at speed, it would have been fair to send him off.

    What saves the England striker is that Robertson’s foot was not planted. The Liverpool man’s raised leg limited the force of the tackle and convinced Tierney that there was no serious foul play. Both a booking and a red card are justifiable, therefore the referee did not make a clear and obvious error, and VAR was correct not to intervene.

    Referees do study players and formations ahead of a game. They are aware that certain players need to be dealt with proactively. Kane does not fall into this category. It has been more than ten years since his last red card — for Leyton Orient away to Huddersfield Town in League One.

    Nevertheless, referees still assess each decision in isolation and the England captain’s excellent disciplinary record is not what saved him here.

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    . . . but only if Robertson stays on the pitch
    Klopp was also furious that Robertson was sent off for a challenge on Emerson Royal in the 77th minute. The left back hacked the Brazilian from behind and although he initially got away with a booking, Tierney brandished a red card after consulting the pitchside monitor.

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    Robertson is shown a red card by Tierney
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    By giving a yellow, Tierney was consistent in his application of the law because this foul was no more serious than the Kane incident, nor was it any less subjective. The challenge could have been deemed a mistimed swing at the ball, which warrants a booking, or violent conduct for a kicking motion, which earns a red card. As with Kane’s challenge, whatever Tierney decided should have stood.

    I am unsure why Chris Kavanagh, the VAR, decided to intervene. If anything, you can argue that Kane’s tackle was more than a yellow, because he is at full stretch and making contact high up. Like the on-field officials, the video assistants should strive to apply the rules in the same manner throughout, so I am perplexed at why VAR sent Tierney to the touchline only for the Robertson incident.

    Officials are always going to upset half of the audience with their decisions. They can control only the consistency of their actions and it appears the threshold for overturning decisions changed mid-game.



    Emerson fortunate to avoid fouling Jota
    Klopp believed his side should have had a penalty before half-time when Diogo Jota went down under contact from Emerson.

    The Tottenham defender was fortunate here. Jota, who slowed down as Emerson approached, had every right to stand his ground and significant contact was made. A shoulder barge is legal, but I believe this was a shove in the back.

    Nevertheless, VAR was correct not to intervene. Tierney adjudged the challenge to be a legal shoulder barge and although I disagree, this decision is not a clear and obvious error.

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    Klopp is booked by Tierney for his touchline rant about the leniency shown to Kane
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    Not enough contact for Tottenham penalty
    Just before Liverpool’s second goal, Dele Alli appealed unsuccessfully for a penalty after he believed Trent Alexander-Arnold pushed him from behind. This decision was certainly the right call. Alexander-Arnold does place his hand on Dele’s back, but the slight contact alone is not enough for a foul to be awarded.

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    New handball law means no issues with Robertson goal
    Immediately after Dele’s protests were waved away, Robertson put Liverpool 2-1 up. The goal stood despite the ball striking Mohamed Salah’s hand in the build-up.

    The handball law changed this season so that if the ball accidentally strikes the hand in the build-up to a goal, no offence is committed. Salah is not the scorer and there is no evidence of a deliberate motion to control the ball with his hand, so the goal correctly stood.



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      Minesapint
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      Ah well. Thanks Peter Whalton. This makes things so much clearer...
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      Stock Picker
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      Liverpool have had 27 yellow cards and one red in the PL this season. Tierney is responsible for 11 of those yellows and the red. Nothing to see here. Move along. Best league in the world.
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      Jamie
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      Jota was fouled and it should have been a penalty. Jota "stopping" does not mean he wasn't fouled as "stopping" is not against the rules, but a barge in the back is. Robertson's could either have been a harsh red or a lucky enough yellow and there's certainly justification for arguing eithe way. B...See more
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      agamennon
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      Clear and obvious tosh from PW, strewn with errors- Klopp was emphatically not furious that Robertson was sent off in his post match interview ? Kane not meriting a red card as Robertson saw it coming and jumped to avoid his leg being broken merits a new frontier in refereeing ie the victim's avoid...See more
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      birchy66
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      As an LFC fan I will attempt to put bias aside, both tackles in the modern game are red cards, it's simple. As for the penalty for Jota, again in today's game a penalty. I also want to highlight Newcastle's penalty claim when Ederson wiped the player out. If this is not a foul in the area because he...See more
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      Jackie Traill
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      The referee’s performance was a disgrace.If he cannot differentiate between a booking and as clear a sending off as one could see then he should be demoted.As for “it wasn’t a clear and obvious error” as intimated by Peter Walton,this is baloney! It Was obvious and an error!Kane should have walked.H...See more
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      Graeme Hughes
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      What a load of nonsense. His food was raised to avoid Kanes lunging studs up tackle. If not he could have broken his leg. Idiocy
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      Iain Macleod
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      VAR is a farce as is Peter Walton's interpretation of the decisions. Make the right decision not that the referee has not made enough of a wrong decisions. All the VAR referees are full referees. I would love to know whether Paul Tierney would like to have the right decisions made at the game or ha...See more
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      Martin Brooks
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      Not only do Liverpool have cause for complaint but so too do Palace, Southampton and Watford, who all should be playing a Spurs team without Kane in it.
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      Martin Brooks
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      Why does ToL bother with Peter Walton? He just defends the ref every time even though we can all see it's wrong. And never mind inconsistencies in refereeing, what about the inconsistencies in this piece alone! "Referees do study players and formations ahead of a game. They are aware that certai...See more
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  13. Jimmy Squarefoot

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    It's basically one big boys club where they don't want to call out their mates.
     
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    Referees do study players and formations ahead of a game. They are aware that certain players need to be dealt with proactively. Kane does not fall into this category. It has been more than ten years since his last red card — for Leyton Orient away to Huddersfield Town in League One.

    By the same logic, I believe this is Robbo's first red card in his career ...? Where was the leniency for him?
     
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    It's a load of bollocks isn't it? Kane has certainly made many more challenges worthy of a red in those 10 years though. It's a self perpetuating myth that he's "not that type of player" so will continually get away with it.

    You have to judge each offense not what the player's past character is like!
     
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    I'm not being paranoid...... honest .... but I believe both Tierney and Kavanagh are from Greater Manchester.
     
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    Bizarrely, it all actually sounds a bit like Sir Humphrey from Yes, Minister. Just gobbledygook and double-talk. And the Times (and BT) pay him for this ****e. :emoticon-0138-think
     
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    Humpy would have been both more eloquent and opaque .
     
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    That is exactly how peados in the media catholic church and powerful places have gotten away with their crimes. Everyone taking care of each other. I am of the view VAR should be a permanent gig with no matchday reffing.
    These refs feel their powers are being taken away. I actually think teams should have one challenge each half in cases where they believe they have been ignored. In other sports the refs have to explain their decisions live. The excuses given today are short of xenophobic because I see no difference to Kanes and Pogbas tackle on Keita
     
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    Watched the kane tackle again. Imo two things came to refs head.

    First it's Kane and sir 'arry must be treated specially.

    Second imo Robertson looks right at right after and imo the ref reckons he's not hurt at all.

    There is zero excuse for var official though.

    He should be fired.
     
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