At least the omicron variant isn't too bad once you've all the jabs. Delta was dangerous **** but the amount of people who've now got this one we must be getting closer to cracking this.
According to some they've been steadily vanishing in the pcr tests when the variant test comes back 95% were omicron last week
Terrible night; head ache, neck ache, everything ache really, plus chills / shivers and the stuffy throat / chest. Really expected a outside test this morning but it's still negative. The mrs (nm) as tested positive though
All my family have it so avoiding going down to see them for a few weeks. Parents are generally fine, no taste but my niece got really bad fever with it but is recovering now. Just crazy how it hits diff people so differently. Sounds like you prob do have it but just not picking up on the testing for whatever reason tbh
Why the feck have restrictions been lifted when daily cases are still far in exceedance of the numbers that peak delta reached? The r number is still apparently between 1.1 and 1.5. Utter madness. All done to try to get the right off Boris's back.
personally I think they are looking at and the fact that by jan 1 virtually everything was omicron and finally hospitalisations are starting to fall. and TBH I don't think they can stop it now. Boris has ended any possibility of ever having a restriction and has enabled all the morons to refuse masks or any other restriction Omnicron is so transmissible that it's R zero has been estimated at 3 to 5 the original was probably 2 or so which is why it was posisble to have social distancing make a real impact in dropping the R number and controlling this. Smallpox has an R0 of 3 Polio has an R0 of 4-6 Mumps has an R0 of 10-12 Chickenpox has an R0 of 10-12 Pertussis has an R0 of 15-17 Measles has an R0 of 16-18 the WHO said half of europe will get this one.
please log in to view this image I think its pretty clear form the data that a) theres 2 big pre vaccination waves b) theres 2 clear period post lockdowns in summer where the corona deaths are tiny. c) its also clear deaths from other causes are up d) its clear that despite a massive flood of DELTA and OMNICRON veriants over winter the vaccinations have indeed helped and excess deaths are down. In the USA however... the data follows a similar trend for the first two waves. bad first spike hiting NY etc, the US election spike and winter, with the drop off in summers. But in yankland, under Biden and with the resistance to common sense (65% 2 doses and only 20 odd % boosted) shows that vaccinations do work. ynaks are maybe more delta earlier in thier winder but they are killing themselves off. its not "identical" data though, its not excess deaths but there is some similar trends If you pick any eastern european country you can look at deaths in 2021/22 winter and correlate to low vaccination update. I picked poland Again no real early spike as the problem hit them later in summer in 2020 but then we see massive spike up all over winder 2020 and it doesn't come down unilkt june/july with a second wave even in 2021 sping. They hend have massive wave of deaths again in winter 2021 number vaccinated 62% of adults. across europe they are at 70-75% so nowhere in europe is there much common sense being shown conversely i pulled our nearest neighbours again very similar death curve. in terms of timing to us as they are so close and probably get it at same time we do. I pulled this as they are at 96% of adult population and are vaccinating aged 5 and over. This is country with no restrictions after a massive wave of omnicron. in the uk 82% of adults are BOOSTED #a bit of common ****ing sense. ..................................................................................................... Now on the "right" to refuse. IMO active consent is a core fundamental "right" in medical treatment. After WWII we had the Nuremburg code created as a result of nazi experiments in death camps. Active consent is enshrined in the Helsinki declaration by the world medical association on medical research "In medical research involving human subjects capable of giving informed consent, each potential subject must be adequately informed of the aims, methods, sources of funding, any possible conflicts of interest, institutional affiliations of the researcher, the anticipated benefits and potential risks of the study and the discomfort it may entail, post-study provisions and any other relevant aspects of the study. The potential subject must be informed of the right to refuse to participate in the study or to withdraw consent to participate at any time without reprisal. Special attention should be given to the specific information needs of individual potential subjects as well as to the methods used to deliver the information." Each and everyone of us were asked before each and every vaccination for our CONSENT. this is absolutely fundamental so if a government mandates something or threatens someone it is acting less ethically than the doctors/nurses administering the vaccine. If Ireland and the UK can achieve such high numbers of vaccinated then countries turning to unethical means to force vaccinations on the "moronic" its a very very slippery slope. I for one defend the rights of the morons to risk their own lives. I think having the terms and conditions for NEW hires to NHS/care homes require something is ok. someone can then choose. to to force something on someone with a reprisal of loss of job etc is utterly unethical
Not the same thing I know but when our son went off to medical school he had to show proof of vaccinations in measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, TB, tetanus, polio, meningitis and hepatitis b. Any that he hadn't had were to be given to him before he could commence his course. Fortunately he'd had all vaccinations and was given an updated hep b. (Last two years entrants probably needed to add Covid vaccine to the list). There is also a full health screening and testing for HIV, hepatitis b, hepatitis c and TB. If a positive test comes back for any of these, the student will still be accepted (provided they meet all other requirements) but they will be restricted in where they can work within the NHS - maybe a candidate positive for HIV couldn't go on to be a surgeon, for example. Just a guess here. Given the need for a full gamut of vaccinations in order to get into medical school, I'm not sure why some doctors are coming out against mandated Covid vaccinations. While I am against mandated vaccinations in general, in terms of medical professionals, vaccines have always been mandated.
Happy to admit if I’m off the mark here. But aren’t some of the following you mentioned ‘measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, TB, tetanus, polio, meningitis and hepatitis b’ types of diseases or much more deadly than covid? In which case can totally see why you’d need to be vaccinated against them. plus the vaccines stop you getting them completely (or at least a very very high chance) Where as covid, the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting it. I know it’s deadlier, but it’s essentially the same type of virus as the flu so is constantly evolving and will be around and have to be dealt with rather than eradicated. The vaccine obviously reduces your chances of getting ill and I know there are debates about stopping you spreading it, but I think it’s agreed that even with the vaccine if you have covid you can still pass it on? Given that’s the case, why should it be mandatory if even a fully booster vaccinated person can still catch it and pass it on? Totally pro vaccine btw, had all mine and think people should get it, but don’t think should be mandatory even for certain roles as don’t see how it’s compatible to other things that are mandatory. Maybe I’ve missed something and would be happy to admit I’m wrong if there is proof as to why dr’s etc should have to be vaccinated.
You're right that Covid can still be caught and passed on after vaccination as can mumps and rubella. My point was that for a profession in which vaccines have always been mandatory, I don't understand the reluctance by some in making a stand on the Covid vaccine. The anaesthetist that first made the news said his reason for not having it was that he was young and healthy and so didn't feel he needed it. He has no way of knowing, like the rest of us, how he would cope should he get Covid. Like you, I'm against mandating the vaccine but I think it should be mandatory in healthcare field purely because it is the healthcare field and if you can't do what's needed to minimise the risk to your patients then how caring of your patients are you actually? My son is very hot on this too btw and maybe that's why I have the view I do. I'm less concerned whether or not the person who cuts my hair has been vaccinated.
Not all vaccines are equal and not all are 100% The immunity for say polio is measured in decades not months. Covid is highly mutagenic. In the end you can still be a carrier and infect others for the above. Its all about level of risk
I agree with this but this is where it’s mixed messages because you can still pass it on with the vaccine so how much risk is actually minimised? As far as I’m aware they still test regularly so if you have covid (vaccine or not) you won’t go into work therefor you’ve completely eliminated the risk anyway? Now if we were at a stage where with covid yoj could still go to work but with the vaccine you weren’t able to pass it on but without the vaccine you can - then 100% should be mandatory. But I don’t see how having 2 people one that is and one that isn’t, the one that isn’t is more of s risk to their patient atm?
To stop me potentially getting ill and to allow me to go places as talk of needing it to go holiday etc.
I got it to protect myself and my family and those around me. It's the decent thing to do. All the reasons you have put forward about Covid being transferable even after vaccine etc. weren't known at the time the first vaccines became available. Most people were rushing to get the vaccine for protection of themselves and others and the benefits of doing so were obvious straight away. Nobody knew how the virus would mutate or that a variant like omicron, highly transmissable but not deadly would come about. All medics should have already had the vaccine like everyone else and for the same reasons, mass protection only in their case even more necessary as they were in contact with the most vulnerable. They are using what we know now as a defence for not getting the vaccine months ago at the height of the virus's deadliness. It's the saying after the fact, I didn't cover the hole in the ceiling because I knew it wasn't going to rain when you had no way of knowing that until after the fact. It may be fair enough saying now if two people, one vaccinated and one not, can both get Covid and pass it on then why bother getting vaccinated but if we'd had this mindset from the outset, we'd be in a terrible place now. Those doctors not getting vaccinated from the get go have hugely ridden their luck. Imagine a doctor, in charge of the sick, elderly and vulnerable thinking 'I'll wait and see how this virus goes before I even consider protecting myself and my patients'. That's what has happened here. I think it's completely selfish and arrogant in some cases.
I can’t say for certainty but the vaccine was give out in age so do you know for sure that when it got to a 30 year old dr that it wasn’t known? I 100% agree with you btw. At the time it was the right thing to do. I probably didn’t need it but it was the right thing to do to get it to protect my family etc. However at the same time you saying they can’t use that as a defence now, you can’t really use the fact that 1 year ago we thought the vaccine may stop it spreading as a reason why someone now should get the vaccine surely? I think everyone should get it. It would help reduce the hospitilisatios which will free up nhs to treat other sick people and cut waiting times. so I’m in no way trying to say they shouldn’t, but right now, ignoring the last 2 years, if someone started work tomorrow for the nhs, what’s the reasoning for them having to have the vaccine? You say risk to patients etc, but are they any more of s risk? As I say, we’re still testing and if you test positive you isolate if you’ve had the vaccine or not. Be interesting to see if people that have had the vaccine are actually more lax when it comes to hygiene and covid now as well knowing they are better protected?
Front line healthcare workers were amongst the first groups to be offered the vaccine for obvious reasons.
