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Which authoritarian restrictions might those be then?

 

Vaccine mandates, mask mandates, covid passports, government tracking obviously

 

Really!

• Of all death occurrences between January and August 2020, there were 48,168 deaths due to the coronavirus (COVID-19) compared with 13,619 deaths due to pneumonia and 394 deaths due to influenza.
• https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...deathsoccurringbetween1januaryand31august2020

 

Flu/pneumonia.
Take the flu figures as stand alone and the weekly figure drops to 31 in 2018 and 2019 24 per week.
They do not compare with the levels of death that are caused by Covid, which are currently, according to Chilco, at around 2000 per week.
For the purposes of this comparison, where people keep on comparing Covid to flu, you cannot include deaths due to pneumonia because you are falsifying the information.
The figures, from BMJ, show conclusively that there were very few deaths caused by flu as the primary cause.
Many people die from pneumonia, without first contracting flu.

 

I'm not arguing that the vaccines don't stop transmission. They do to a certain extent. I think everyone should be vaccinated for their own good and to help the health service. I just feel at this stage the vaccine pass has run it's course and the people that it made get the vaccine will have gotten it at this stage. People who haven't gotten it won't change their mind at this stage. The disease IMO isn't serious enough for the majority to warrant keeping the pass anymore or going down the route of mandatory vaccination or anything like that

 

Yep, vaccines have been the game changer thankfully. In this part of the world people have responded fantastically to it. At this point I think the vaccine passes though are a waste of time. In Ireland 94% I think of the adult population have gotten the vaccine. The others will hold out no matter what. In Ireland the Omicron wave produced record numbers but hospital levels were manageable and ICU didn't really go up. No point in keeping certain restrictions to spite people at that stage when they aren't having an effect. The story may be different in other countries

 

Look further back in time. 2018 and 2019 you see 2k deaths a week from flu/pneumonia.

The covid numbers aren’t exceptionally bad compared to that. Definitely not bad enough to warrant extreme authoritarian measures.

 

Extreme authoritarian measures what the **** are they?
The ONS numbers https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...formationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020

 

Exactly, when you look at these stats, covid isn’t that much worse. And no one was clamouring for covid tracking and vaccine mandates then.

Extreme measures include: coercing vaccinations and tracking people using QR codes. I think both of these are extreme and unnecessary.

The risks can be managed without bringing in these kinds of things.

 

Ozzie - which country do you live in?

Which places still require QR scanning? I haven’t needed to scan into anywhere for some time. That said I haven’t been to a big variety of places

The tracking argument always makes me chuckle (normally in the context of lunatics claiming microchip trackers are in the vaccine courtesy of Bill Gates). We have all been being tracked for years before covid

 

yeah

 

This is the thing I don't get, if it was drastically different, then it might have warranted certain things, but it's not hugely different.

The pushy nature has turned my stomach By the government, the media, and from friends, colleagues and family etc.

I've never heard anyone calling someone who doesn't get the flu jab an anti vaxxer before, why do these people not get up in arms about that? Why when I've gone into an office while a bit poorly, have I never been asked to go home by managers, other staff have never felt uncomfortable that I am there?

This past 2 years has been a massive over reaction, not just by this country but even more so by some of the others.

 

Those grieving the excess deaths will beg to differ. As will the frontline workers who struggle to contain the virus. No problem using coronacheck and testing throughout Europe.

 

Plenty of people are very angry they couldn't see loved ones as they were dying.

And plenty of people grieve for all sorts of reasons, flu deaths being one, suicides due to mental health issues is another, domestic abuse victims taking their own lives or being killed due to lockdowns, all deaths are horrible but is a part of life.

People dying on the so called smart motorway, very few get irate at that do they, most people just carry on using them as it's quicker than the back roads.

And hey what about the numbers of people who have died with adverse reactions to the jabs, that number will only grow as people get more and more jabs, year on year.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the average age of death from COVID is older than the average age of death overall, that's a bit odd isn't it?

Anyway, you all got to figure it out yourself, do what you gotta do, that's the point, it's your choice to do what you believe and it's my choice to do what I believe, we will all end up dead at some point, how we get there for most people is up to us. Live life with mask or without mask, with vaccine or without vaccine, just make sure you live it guys and gals, as we all know it's too short.

Support the Saints and support each other, sorry if I come across preachy, just felt like putting some views across for a bit of balance.




Peace!

 

The term anti-vaxers is used more for people spreading falsehoods about vaccinations than just refusing them, like claiming there have been large numbers of adverse reactions and deaths from vaccinations

Life expectancy has dropped slightly due to Covid

Unvaccinated younger people are far more likely to have long Covid

Without vaccinations the NHS would have been decimated and far more people would have been dying from other conditions as well as Covid

Frontline NHS staff already have compulsory Hepatitis jabs and some have the annual flu jabs to protect patients more than themselves

Love

 

It is a tricky one though. I am triple jabbed and want everyone to be as I can see the benefits far outweigh any minor IMO negative.

However, I sit uneasy with forcing people to have it as it is ultimately down to personal choice.

But personal choice is balanced by what it stops you from doing. I personally don't choose to rob a bank, if i did that is my choice, but if I did my choice would probably lead me to prison. What I am trying to say badly is that there are consequences to all choices and if being unvaccinated is one choice, then the consequence may be that you lose your job or may not be allowed to go places.

 

I know unvaccinated people, not many most I know are triple jabbed, who haven't been able to travel or to enter venues. That indeed is the consequence no sympathy from me it's their choice.

 

Can I just say, I get very angry about "smart" motorways. I personally think it's the worst idea in a very long time.

 

What even are they ?

 

Quite simply, death traps.