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Match Day Thread Birmingham City vs QPR

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by daverangers, Oct 25, 2022.

  1. Bwood_Ranger

    Bwood_Ranger 2023 Funniest Poster

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    Limited but lots of aggression and effort. I think with Willock we probably dominate and win the game but we never really got going at all, to their credit. Marked Chair out the game without any other threat. Might as well have been me on the right instead of Roberts who was **** again before deciding he didn’t fancy it.

    Richards rather than Sinclair was probably the sub to make at that time to keep the width. Oh well.
     
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  2. QPRski

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    Luckily I was not able to see the match so I guess that I may have suffered less than those who saw it!

    From the reports, it seems to be an off-par performance similar to the Luton match.

    Obviously we would have loved to have won (and even “expected” it from the predictions), but in this league you can and you will loose individual games. It is a question of how one recovers.

    Two points per game is a great average for promotion or reaching the play-offs in this league. It can be achieved by:

    3 wins / 1 draw / 1 defeat in a “5 match” period, or

    4 wins / 2 defeats in a “6 match” period.

    Thus we can and will lose the odd match, but we need to quickly recover and avoid periods of poor form. It is all about long term “consistency”.

    Let’s hope that we beat Norwich and WBA in the next matches and all will be very well.

    The result was disappointing, but it is not a disaster.

    Wish you all a great Weekend. Cheers!
     
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  3. QPRski

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    Perhaps the positive is that it will reduce the expectations and the visibility of our players.

    I guess that not many Premiership clubs would want Dieng or Chair after this performance. :)
     
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  4. Nick Loveland

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    Ok-sorry, I’m clearly the curse. Tonight was the first time I’ve seen QPR “in the flesh” this season. Worst performance for weeks too. Ok, I’ll stay away…..

    For what it’s worth, I thought we started brightly for 5 mins, but Seny flapped at and was woefully out of position for the corner that led to the first goal, which meant he was in no man’s land for the actual shot. The goal shocked the lads, and then we lost two players….that said the second goal began with a handball from Deeney on the half way line. We can moan about that, and the referee’s “touch” but the fact is we should have closed their guy down before he shot and/or Seny was out of position again.

    after that it was always going to be a struggle. BHam aren’t world beaters but they are grafters and we looked woeful up front. A clinical striker would have put away at least one of the chances squandered by Dykes. And the penalty was just a nice height to make Ruddy look awesome.

    I’m afraid I can’t think of many positives….the young QPR fans scoring penalties at half time? That was the most likely someone in a QPR shirt was going to celebrate a goal…..

    Obviously one poor game doesn’t wreck the season, there have been plenty of good things that will return for future matches. Hopefully Willock will be one of them. As for the Armstrong debate…..he’s a disrupter, certainly could have got them a red card. But he’s just too raw in front of goal at this level at the moment I think.

    I suppose the other positive for the next match is that I won’t be there
     
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  5. Turkish" Premier" Hoops

    Turkish" Premier" Hoops Well-Known Member

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    You’ll all be pleased to know my night got worse, after watching us get butchered and being told by the AA ( Absolute Arseholes ) I would be collected at 9-25pm I was collected around midnight, taken 34 miles from Membury services westbound and unceremoniously deposited at Leigh Delamere services and to:be told I would be further collected at 02-40am however it’s now 08-00am and here I remain at Leigh Delamere !!!!!
    All is not well <steam><steam><steam><steam>
     
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  6. bobmid

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    So were the other 10 players. Its a funny old game. One thing we couldn't match Birmingham on was their intensity. I totally understand him bringing on Armstrong for that reason alone and based on his previous 2 starts, in which he did very well. I'm really surprised by people's take on the match last night. The whole team didn't play well enough to win it. We will always get these games. It was Dykes at the beginning of the season who got a bit of stick on here, then suddenly he bags a few and all is forgotten. He missed the easiest chance of the game last night from the spot yet its Armstrong who is getting the stick. Everyone has a **** game sometime, there were quite a few last night for various reasons. Their tactics didn't enable us to play how we have done before and that's credit to them. Did we look like a top side last night, far from it. I'm yet to witness us play what I think is a top side yet but they were the best we have faced yet.
     
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  7. Hoop-Leif

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    Armstrong was poor......but as Bob says, so were the other 10 players.

    A thoroughly disappointing squad performance.

    My bugbear is that we seem to start quite a few matches with a low intensity or perhaps an air of nonchalance. Why can't we be up for every match from the get go like pretty much every other team i watch?

    We have the talent and the players, we need to build resilience and toughness.

    (And I still haven't a clue what Roberts brings to the team lol)
     
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  8. sb_73

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    Similar to Watford, and as I said, well coached and committed without any real standout players. The Hannibal/Sideshow Bob character put himself about a bit. Eustace has improved them.
     
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    Its ok, mate.

    Some of us having a 'laxative effect' when we project a win, ( I did ) ....visit them live, or when we play relegation fodder.
    Its all part of being a seasoned QPR fan.

    Welcome to the madhouse.
     
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  10. bobmid

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    Armstrong is a coaches dream. He has everything you can't coach in a player yet has the potential to be coached in everything where there's need for improvement. I'm sure Beale will enjoy working with him and last nights game is another massive learning curve for both.
     
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  11. SW Ranger

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    I never saw any of the Luton game, but if it was similar to last nights game, MB is going to need to find a counter to those tactics - because as sure as hell others will follow suit against us. There’s no doubt that with Willock and Chair it becomes too difficult to close both of them down easily, and then by definition any forward game we have. I think it’s a tactic MB will see more of from mid-table, and lower, teams - if they have the energy (Brum surprised me that they had the energy to press us for most of the 96 mins tbh - I really thought they would tire and we would take over the game). These are the games where the missed opportunities really stand out - and the criticism for the forwards, most of the time rightly so, comes to the fore.

    It’s still early in the season. Still lots of opportunity to improve, adapt and stay up with the pack. Put this one behind us … but use it positively to adapt our tactics to overcome teams like this as we move further into the season. We need our players to not only play smart but to also think smart as a team to counter these tactics.
     
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  12. Frome-Ranger

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    A genuine off night all round and once again really appreciate Beale's candidness in his post match interviews, such a refreshing change.

    I'm not too disheartened by this result, I think this team benefits from wake-up calls like this. It's a good reminder that you've really got to earn your points in this league and a couple of players out there last night didn't seem to be want to do that.

    The result might have been different if the ref hasn't had such a stinker but that would have papered over the cracks of the performance. Ultimately we got what we deserved.

    It's a good job we've got 4 centre backs, none of them can stay fit at the minute.
     
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  13. sb_73

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    Well, it’s pretty easy to measure his progress. So far this season in the league 258 minutes played, 0 goals, 0.7 shots per game (frankly I can’t remember any) 1 assist (the debatable penalty against Cardiff). Plenty of scope for improvement, as it used to say in my old school reports. I have seen him play on several occasions now, and to my untutored and unskilled eye he’s not getting any better. His close control is non existent and he falls over very easily. He takes up positions in crowded areas of the pitch where he adds nothing - towards the end last night hanging around with Chair and Paal, and sometimes Tim, on the left wing. Last night he was clearly frustrated with himself and nearly got himself booked for a bit of silliness, squaring up to someone.

    https://www.whoscored.com/Players/430766/Show/Sinclair-Armstrong

    Beale obviously sees something in him, otherwise he wouldn’t be getting these opportunities. Perhaps it will just take a goal for the improvement to start, but gone are the days when the Rs faithful were begging for him to be brought on.

    Now, Tyler Roberts. 753 league minutes, 1 goal, no assists. Is he a striker or a midfielder? I think he’s being played as a striker in this team, although clearly he isn’t one. You might have had a great experience coaching him, but again, from the evidence of my unskilled eyes, I’m not sure if this bloke likes playing football. At least not for us.

    Not saying either of these blokes lost us the game yesterday, loads of the team, including ever dependables like Field, were off the pace. But Armstrong and Roberts have to deliver something if played, the first team isn’t a kindergarten for children or a care home for distressed PL players on loan.

    How I wish Albert was just a bit younger. His attitude and approach was exactly what we needed last night.
     
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  14. Stan Dupp

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    Roberts...neither one thing nor the other. Get rid, not worthy of a place in starting line up.
    Armstrong....Not a footballer I am afraid. No first touch for starters.
    First goal. Was it even a corner?
    Last night was worrying as it was like the defeat to Luton. Soft under belly.
    V similar to last season where we win each game by one goal and start losing by at least 2 goals.
    Norwich will be v similar and I just hope against WBA and Huddersfield, we don't fall for the new manager bounce as we are prone so to do.
    The danger now is to bring back Willock too early which would be disastrous (like Roberts last night).
     
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  15. rangercol

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    My take on Roberts is that he has a lot of ability, but gives the impression that he thinks he's just too good for us.
    It's just an impression, but he's brought precious little thus far imo.
    Armstrong has raw pace and strength, which defenders hate.
    I thought he really struggled last night, falling over, playing air shots, blowing half chances and mis-controlling virtually everything.
    I think he has potential and agree with Bob that he's getting invaluable first team experience, but I would like to see him used sparingly, ideally for the last 20 minutes of games when defenders are tiring.
    The additional problem is that Dykes, to use a popular phrase from last night, is bang average, so it's always going to be tempting to try alternatives.
    Deeney is an annoying, ugly twat, but he's twice the centre forward Dykes will ever be, even at this late stage of his career and he showed how to be a centre forward last night.
     
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    No disagreement there. It’s just occurred to me what Armstrong reminds me of - a young, big, muscular winger or flanker from high end schools rugby, and I could find you a dozen of these blokes who offer as much as Armstrong does right now, raw power and potential, but with more stamina. He’s strong and not afraid to use his strength, but wily old defenders will soon use that against him. He’s fast -ish, but that isn’t worth much without control. To be fair, I doubt Beale wanted to bring him on that early last night, he’s certainly not up to more than 45 minutes.

    Roberts I have really wanted to work because he can obviously play. Might be something wrong with his head. I’ve had enough of him now.

    I think we all understand how limited Dykes is, but he never hides. Big turning point for me was when he missed that entirely open goal at home (forget against who). Usually there would have been howls of anger from the fans but this time there was silence followed by a lot of sympathy and support for him. He is what he is, 1 in 10 might go in. Nobody thought he would score the pen last night, surely? Was it a penalty? Only saw it in real time, accidental kick to the head in a diving header attempt?* Thought the other appeal for handball which was right in front of us was a non starter.

    * just seen this, yeah a pen.
     
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    Armstrong seems to me to be the footballing equivalent of Frank Bruno at the moment - all physique, with little discernible talent.
     
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    Careful TPH. Your post looks like it's about to pop an aneurysm. :emoticon-0104-surpr
    I'm sure you'll cheer up once we beat the carrot crunchers. :emoticon-0116-evilg
    BTW, have you gotten back home or not? And WTF are you doing out there?
    Thought you lived in Derby (or Turkey). Was the sat nav wasn't it? :emoticon-0120-doh:
     
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    and likeable to boot
     
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  20. Bwood_Ranger

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    Think that’s a bit harsh. He has a role to play as an impact sub but he’s not good enough to start yet. Could do with a loan but we’re painfully short up front. Bonne deserves more of a chance IMO.
     
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