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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Chazz Rheinhold, Feb 15, 2023.

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Will this get done ??

  1. Yes absolutely

  2. Not a chance

  3. Some sort of hybrid plan

  4. Built somewhere else

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  1. Cityzen

    Cityzen Well-Known Member

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    Meanwhile, back on planet earth…
     
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  2. Plum

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    St Andrews Quay would be good but is it big enough? I've read the Fair covers16 acres while St Andrews Quay is just 10. Is there parking there and would they countenance shrinking the Fair?
     
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    Its as realistic as some of the other ideas that will get floated about.
     
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  4. Cityzen

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    But the cost of living crisis means people can’t afford to go, surely?

    In any case to save the planet and meet our net zero target it would help by not having generators polluting the atmosphere every year.
     
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  5. Cityzen

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    Exactly!<laugh>
     
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  6. Stockholm Tiger

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    Growing up in the 80s we had a telly and I even got a second hand Atari one year for Christmas. But we couldn't afford school dinners for me and my brother. We took a pack-up every day because it was cheaper. Being able to have school dinners was actually an occasional treat. Maybe if we had had school dinners we couldn't have had the telly from Rediffusion. I'd have chosen the soggy sandwiches and the telly given the choice.
     
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    You can spend that on the piddly little fairs that turn up around the villages beforehand. Youngest's first outing on her own last year and she got fleeced on pretty much every ride she went on.
     
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    Shows how long it is since Ive been ... I was guesstimating...
     
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  9. Cityzen

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    Growing up in the 1950s poor people didn’t have a tele.<laugh> Or a phone.
     
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    boomerbrain
     
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  11. Cityzen

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    Millenialbrainless.
     
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  12. DMD

    DMD Eh?
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    Or a generationXorcist.
     
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    Or a hole in the ground.<laugh>
     
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  14. Cityzen

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    That was the living room.
     
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    I immediately thought of the St Andrews Quay area, but getting to it would be a nightmare. I mean Mr Chu would be delighted (I don’t know how they’re still open, they never seem to have any customers).

    That area is wasted land at the moment and the Lord Line building is a bit of an eyesore, so redeveloping it to make a place for the fair would work. The issue would be getting to it from North and East Hull. It would be interesting to see data on where the local people who attend the fair travel from, because if it’s mostly people from East Hull, it might make sense to move it further that way.

    Like HT2 said, a fair that is there 10 days a year shouldn’t stand in the way of a project that will benefit the city all year round. I’d bet the money it would make would be more than the fair. If people want **** food, pickpockets, rides, dense crowds and thumping dance music, Cleethorpes is just a short drive away.
     
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    It'll take a lot of capital to set up a new site for the fair wherever it's moved to, would Hull CC be up for that? I can't imagine the show people will want to contribute!
     
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    Dense crowds? Are those the people at rugby?

    Surely most won’t come from East Hull? We are told at derby time by the local media that such is the East v West divide that people won’t venture over the river, FC fans won’t eat bacon…And some people believe it.<laugh>
     
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    I have no idea, it’s just wasteland at the minute and doesn’t really do anything. How much does it cost to have a building levelled and the foundations safely concreted over?
     
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    I don't know either but it'll need electricity, water, drainage, whatever, and it may need to comply with whatever planning regulations apply to such sites now which probably didn't exist when Walton St was first used. Car parking, street lighting, the list could be endless.
     
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    Good article from baz


    Hull City have been crying out for the £25m MKM Stadium regeneration project for years
    Plans revealed this week have generated plenty of discussion across the city
    Barry Cooper
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    The MKM Stadium site is the subject of strong discussion (Image: Richard Addison Photo)
    The people of Hull are about to be faced with a decision that impacts the city for generations to come, and it's one that has been on the agenda for years and years.

    Talk of developing the Walton Street area of West Hull is nothing new, and there will be people that rolled their eyes on Wednesday morning when Hull Live revealed ambitious plans from the city's Championship football club that it wanted to kick-start a £25m regeneration project around the MKM Stadium and surrounding area.

    This is of course, not the first time Cityhave talked up plans to develop the area around the MKM Stadium. Previous owners the Allam family were keen to do something which ultimately never materialised, so you can understand there is a natural scepticism from some.

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    A key difference on this occasion is that both City and Hull FC are working off the same page, and they have the support from the council to create what is being dubbed a 'Sports Village' by those involved in the planning of the project - that triangle of desire was not here in the past, and it's that willingness that gives this a chance.

    Hull City owner Acun Ilicali, a Turkish businessman and television personality took over the club last January, and ever since, has been working with staff at the Tigers to concoct a plan that would see the huge development take place, one that had first-team and academy training under one roof in a purpose-built venue.

    That venue would also become a key community hub, one where local people could benefit from - not just the elite sportsmen and women of Hull City and Hull FC.

    There's even a discussion surrounding the idea of building a new, smaller arena within the West Park footprint that would see Hull FC, the academy sides, and ladies use it plus the potential for other sports, similar to how the Academy Stadium operates on Manchester City's Etihad Campus - a site City have gleaned information from.

    Central to Hull City's plans is the Walton Street car park. Few could argue that the area is anything but an eye-sore, a derelict piece of land that is used for a car boot sale, and a fair.

    In some ways, it's the traveling fair that holds the key to the success of the project and it's something that the people of this city must have their say on, and must decide what happens next.

    Hull Fair is iconic, it's historic and it has a tradition that dates back centuries. There will be generations of Hullensians that have gone to the fair ever since it first arrived in the city over 700 years ago, and it remains a key and much-loved part of the city's culture when it arrives each and every October.

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    That history, that tradition, however, should not be a reason for future generations to have their progress halted, for the city to move with the times.

    A Royal Charter exists to protect the fair, but that historic document does not demand the location has to be Walton Street. It has sat on other sites before, and if there is enough will from all parties, it can do again - there just needs to be some forward-thinking and some imagination.

    Perhaps, understandably, the Liberal Democrat-operated city council are playing the game with a significant degree of caution, keen to remain in the middle and not upset anybody. Behind the scenes, they know that this is a situation they've inherited from the previous administration and if truth be told, they probably wish this wasn't on their watch, but it is, until such time as the colours above the door change again.

    They want to develop the area, but they're also tip-toeing around given the political sensitivity. This is the proverbial hot potato that nobody in the local authority wants to deal with, but know at some point, they're going to have to stand up to it and deal with it head-on.

    This isn't a project just for football as some who can't stand the sport have suggested, this is about welcoming investment into the city at a time when money is tight and when budgets all over the place have been cut back so much there's barely a pound left anywhere, there can be a wider benefit to everybody.

    Hull is a wonderful city, and one with great potential, but it can be so much more, it can do so much better and projects such as these can play a big part in making it that, but it needs vision and it needs collaboration with guts to actually break from the norm, 'from what we've always done' and get on with it.

    Change can be a good thing, it should be welcomed. A solution that works for every interested party is there, it just needs to be found and it needs to be found quickly.
     
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