I knew you would blame Vyner for the first goal...anybody else, there would be no mention.....bit harsh IMO
Its not about money Wiz! A lot of the players he has had were there when he came in, and a bunch still are. We haven't progress in terms of results, or league position with what he had.. Is he in a different scenario now than LJ in terms of spend, yes of course he is, but everyone in this league is, so it evens out, and we are still worse off, or at best par with where we are, and with a far more experienced manager. He has just inherited £9m for the sale of AS, and likely in the region of £20m in the summer from Scott. This will be the test, can he use it wisely. MA and LJ did in terms of transfers, contracts maybe another argument, but that was the cost of doing business 3-6 years ago, today it isn't, but probably will be again in another year or 2 COVID damaged the clubs finances, and many others, not the previous regime. The model was working off the pitch, but not quite on the pitch, much like today.
So have Luton, far more than us, and they look play off bound for a second consecutive season. So, your argument about money doesn't stack up.... Money doesn't buy success...
We went for it under the last regime, we are now having to reset. The last time thar happened we were relegated, this time Nige & co appear to have gone a long way to achieving it whilst remaining in the championship, that’s relative success. Now hopefully we can push on from a higher base than last time.
I don't think Vyner is anymore to blame than Sykes or Tanner for the first goal tbh. The ball came down the right side, Sykes bottled a challenge that was there to be made as it hit the back of the Swansea player, and Tanner was in no mans land, again, when the ball was played in. How you can blame Zak again for the second goal is laughable, again, if anyone is to blame, it's Tanner, he left their RW with an ocean of space to get the ball in the box.... if Zak had been playing RB, you would have called him on that (rightly for once as well btw). When you have it in for someone RP, you don't let facts or reality get in the way of your argument, do you... On another note, how that wasn't a pen for handball is beyond me
Isn't it time we all got off our high horses and admitted the fact that no matter what regime, or manager, was in charge and blamed for this that and whatever we still can't reach any kind of real achievement. I have supported Bristol City for over 60 years and despite the missing years of First Division football due to my emigration to Canada in1975 that almost cost us the ultimate death please remind me what we have won, other than promotions and tin pot cups, during all those other campaigns. We hear the odd mention of country bumpkins and that we are in a footballing backwater but the reality of our footballing tenure is that we basically have won absolutely bugger all and don't look like doing it any time soon. Frustration doesn't come close to covering those emotions, and the lifelong desire to achieve something memorable is fading right before my eyes. I spent a small fortune staying in London after my winter break to see Bristol City at Wembley to win the cup against a world class Wallsall side and after the fact of that joyous day I thought to myself " Is that the height of achievement I can expect from my beloved team?", and then I wondered how our opponents must have felt? Keep smiling and hoping I guess.
Most of us can, and have Inver. it's a small majority that can't/won't see it, and try pin everything bad on one manager, and rose tint everything else. The rest of us that realise it's exactly as you describe, and not down to anyone individual, except perhaps Steve Landsdown.
That’s good info But you only have to look at the perpetual chaos at QPR to know that it’s not just about how rich an owner is when measured against success
1For- why did you know ? Because we both know he should have gone with his right leg to block the shot. A ridiculous non challenge. Max wasn't brilliant either.
Others make mistakes, many leading up to the goals conceded.....but seems you only have eyes for him.. quite often he is praise worthy, but I don't think I've ever seen acknowledgment from you in that department.. I think we could easily criticise our players up front for not putting chances away.....goals win games as well as mistakes at the back....you can only defend for so long, eventually you will concede.. IMO
I haven't seen enough of Vyner in action to have an opinion, but it's interesting that RPs opinion of him (in general) seems at odds with Nige's. Just an observation. Sitting on the fence (as usual) as I haven't seen enough games. EDIT: I've just popped over to OTIB and they have a 'Player of the Season' thread running. It's interesting how many people are voting for Vyner: Player of the Season - Football Chat - One Team in Bristol - Bristol City Forums (otib.co.uk) However, one post caught my eye from a poster named Spike, who I think may summarise where the Vyner critics are coming from: 'I'm a little different in that I'd say Pring for player of the season, he's come in and made left back his position, been outstanding both in attack and defence and has even covered at center back due to the injuries. I honestly think without him this season we'd be in a far worse position. His consistency has been brilliant too, I mean whilst most players have had bad patches he's at the very least put in good performances and I think he's become so reliable that he's held to a higher standard now. Scott is obviously the most talented player, that's not even a discussion we need to have and although he's been outstanding recently he has had a few patches where he's not held up to his own high standards hence I think Pring deserves it as he's been more consistent over the season. Vyner is still making mistakes and although people have taken to him more due to his vast improvement I still think people give him too much praise because of how bad he was at one point, I still think he makes too many bad choices but he's the best fit center back we have so he's going to play every game but certainly not player of the season in my eyes...'
I'm not saying Vyner is the best player we have and yes he makes mistakes (as do most), but seems that when one on here has a hate for someone, every movement is tracked waiting to be critisised.. He's part of our defence, it's bound to happen...as with every defender in the Country.. I believe as a championship player, he's not a bad one to have.....always puts in a shift and not bad going forward..
Agree, never going to be a PL player, but a perfectly good championship standard defender, at a reasonable salary, yes he makes mistakes, as does everyone, but on balance a very reasonable defender
horses for courses . Bury a very different kettle of fish .... Clubs that have gone have done so because those owners were not stacked and crowds were small or didnt have the ability to seek out players and improve then sell on look at CREWE an amazing run with a good sale of a player every season to keep them a float now struggling down in Lge 2 their bubble burst