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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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  2. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    It's not just a Tory problem but to use a Tory excuse you're quoting from the 2020 Covid crisis from an organisation with an anti-government agenda.

    The difference is that the UK government turns it's back and pretends it's not happening, prefering the 'global issues' excuse.

    France was, iirc, the first country to make it illegal for supermarkets to waste food and the big companies were involved with the government in setting up food banks.

    I don't think that's the case in the UK.

    Of course there are global issues, like Russian grain prices, but accepting the slightest responsibility seems beyond this government.

    Perhaps they're not to blame in any way.
     
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    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    When Sunak said he was taking control of our borders I didn't realise it was to stop us leaving the country <laugh>


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    To "Take back control" the person or persons doing this should be relatively competent. These Tories are the antithesis of competent in anything they do. They can't even "control" their own leaders and MP's <laugh>
     
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  5. samwise_new

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    the govt. will simply lay the blame at the advisors, in my eyes that just means they have no clue about doing the job and rely on people with some expertise...i would rather we employed a person that has spent 30+ years working in the NHS, someone who has actually 'lived' the problems and would know the best course of action, rather than some upper class tw@t from eton who never even had to do exams to get 'qualified'.
     
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    Sadly you're probably right mate.

    Is there anyone they haven't blamed, except themselves of course.

    In fact even that's not correct, Truss blamed Boris, Sunak blamed Truss and now Boris is blaming Sunak.

    They've all blamed each other and now it's the nurses, the civil service or the supermarkets who are causing all these problems ...

    ... without these troublemakers the forty new hospitals could be funded, Brexit wouldn't have been ruined by 'activists' and huge food inflation wouldn't be caused by profiteering shops.

    And don't forget the train drivers derailing HS2 <laugh>
     
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  7. The Exile II

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    The entire decision making process needs to be examined. Thatcher once said 'advisers advise but ministers decide'. That should still be true, but if ministers are making decisions completely at odds with the expert advice, then the rationale behind that decision should be recorded.
    Then the experts themselves need to justify their opinions with evidence. It's accountability all the way up and down.
     
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    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    Funny how that chart coincides exactly to when Tony Blair opened the doors wide and its climbed ever since:emoticon-0184-tmi:




     
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    Seems like Mr Just Stop Oil is kicking back against the tories. Hope it doesnt backfire onto Labour in the process.
     
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  11. The Exile II

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    More specifically, it's the Cabinet Office.

    And Johnson has released a statement saying they've got his full, non redacted messages ...
     
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    I agree with much of this. Politicians are rarerly qualified to do the job, particularly by experience which is what we should demand. The defence secretary is often a notable exception. Advisors do have a role to play of course as well. The thing I want to find out is how often ministers ignored clear advice from experts. Some experts took the tv addresses each night as well.
     
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    I'm particularly interested in what point political considerations began to be prioritized over medical priorities. When science, doing it's job in making new discoveries and treatments, became The Science, immutable and not to be questioned, where all new evidence was ignored.

    A lot of things dismissed as conspiracy theories have since been proven to be absolutely true and lives were lost as a result.
     
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    if (and it is one feck off massive if) we get a govt. that decides to do the job right and help the people we would possibly see just how much has been swept under many carpets across the years...that is the one reason that any new party trying to grow gets immediate bad publicity, they only want people in the job that think and behave exactly the same as the two horses.

    also they do not want to lose thier place on the gravy train...we should return to the magna carta and start all over again.
     
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    I am not as familiar with the cabinet office as I should be. I was amazed to read it is over 10000 people. I had assumed it was just a core of civil servants to manage cabinet business. Gives a sense of the layers of govt we have.
     
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    one day i decided to have a good look at the house of lords, basically because apart from schoolwork i had not given it a second thought...got as far as viewing the attendance pay they get and that between them they managed to get through 25 or so items in that past year and i gave up, for what it costs they should be getting through a couple per week, talk about 'easy jobs'.
     
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    All of these need kicking into touch whatever party or no party
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hereditary_peers_elected_under_the_House_of_Lords_Act_1999
     
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    788 peers in the H of L, which needs as a minimum a massive cull, the house of Commons around 650 MP's

    I read the other day that governance of the country take up 44.5% of GDP. Needs verification, but if true, it is no wonder why schools, hospitals, public transport, leveling up, roads, police, housing, has very little money spent on them.
     
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    That is mind boggling mate. Ridiculous actually, and needs a large cull for sure.

    I was in Kent at the weekend. I have never driven on worse roads in my life. Around Royal Tunbridge Wells and there is money to burn round there, but not for councils it would seem.

    I heard a tale from my wife tonight about the schools budget. Absolutely awful. Education for me must be no.1 priority, but listen to any political party and it is nowhere near.

    Maddening times.
     
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  20. Pure River Slut

    Pure River Slut Well-Known Member

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    Between that and this
    https://amp.theguardian.com/news/20...st-families-raise-22bn-year-reform-inequality
    We’d find some money
    Plus circa 30 million spent on dodgy dividend private care homes who make 30-40 per cent profit
    But the small boats …
     
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