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Postecoglou & Lange (& Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Next gaffer, who's your preference?

  1. Arne Slot

  2. Ruben Amorim

  3. Luis Enrique

  4. Ange Postocoglou

  5. Brendan Rodgers

  6. Graham Potter

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  1. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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  2. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I think there could be a couple of factors.

    One - Luck - sometimes managers (and players) just need that big break that either never comes or comes quite late. With the amount of success he's had in Australia, Japan and Scotland, he's probably earned the right to manage in one of Europe's big leagues now.

    Two - Geographical bias - which I think is the main reason. I've noticed continents don't tend to hire outside of their own. There's only five non-European managers out of the 92 clubs in England's football league (technically four as Darren Moore is classed as Jamaican yet born in Brum) and I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio/ percentage is similar around Europe, with most of the ones that are are probably South American. So for someone like Ange especially, I think he has to go the long way round to end up getting a big European league job because he needs to have a lot of success in his homeland and elsewhere before ever being considered, whereas a former good player in Europe probably has a better chance of getting a big job even if they're likely nowhere near as good or experienced as Ange (Lampard for example).

    As for how well he'll do if he does get the job, anybody's guess. Personally I'm very open to giving him the job though, seems to be both respected and loved by players/ former players and he's played a brand of football at all of his clubs that we fans are dying to see return to Spurs.
     
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  3. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    He'll be way out of his depth. Filled his squad full of Japs and that **** won't work in the prem. He was tactically outclassed in Europe.
     
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  4. humanbeingincroydon

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    Postecoglou has a whiff of the Nuno`s about him, he is way down the list of rumoured managerial targets and more of an afterthought. Add to that he is unproven outside of Australia and the Mickey Mouse SPL, questions should be asked why at 57 years old he has yet to land a big job in a big league. He would be an underwhelming appointment and way down my list, but somebody has to take the job.
     
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  6. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    One massive plus for Ange: one of the gammoniest of gammony gammons is against his hiring
     
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  7. Roo

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    Good points. I do admire the hard work it’s taken to get to this point, and the “long way round” you mention. At some point in anyone’s career they need to be given that break. And it’s great to read that he’s well respected and the quality of football is top notch. - as I said previously, this is key for the fans right now. Personally I’m not against the appointment, because we’ve put ourselves in this position and clearly have limitations at the moment. Very soon we’ll be surpassing the time it took to eventually end up with Nuno.

    I think that’s what I find frustrating. It just feels like there’s a lot of the “unknown” again, and potentially quite a lot that could go wrong with this appointment and potentially more risk than we should be willing to accept, leaving us in a position we’ve seen before. It may not be a Nuno part 2 in terms of the type of football, but I can’t help but feel we’re taking some fairly big risks with all things considered. As the 9th richest club in the world it shouldn’t be this lengthy finding a manager that suits us and wants to join us. Doesn’t need to be a massive name necessarily, as those haven’t worked out. But it does feel like we fluctuate from one end of the managerial spectrum to the other.
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

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    Let's be honest, Conte has a track record of being tactically outclassed in Europe, but that was overlooked when he was brought in - although Mura and Milan certainly didn't overlook it
     
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    I think that's problem, other people have mentioned the way things have turned out for Poch, Jose, Conte and even Nuno does not make us an attractive proposition. Add in the disjointed squad assembled for a manager who was sacked, alongside at least 6 players that really need to be moved out because they either aren't good enough or don't seem to 'work' in our league and the job looks even less appetising.

    We are a long term project and in a world where fans and chairmen/boards demand instant results, a project like ours is not going to attract a queue around the block even if we are the 9th richest club in the world, remembering that still leaves us outside the top 5 in our own league! I wouldn't be surprised if Ange stays put as well he is adored at Celtic, why swap that for the poison chalice that we would offer.

    I am not sure that the media no anymore than we do either surely no manager is going to be appointed until the D of F is in place. This very long process is in my opinion not ending anytime soon.
     
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    Agree.

    you also have to wonder whether the project with be that of the prospective manager, or whether candidates will get the feeling that it’s Levy’s project. That could also be a deciding factor in who is willing to take the role.
     
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  11. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I think part of the reason it’s gonna look bad if we do hire Postecoglou now is the time it’s taken and the fact we’ve been rejected by two top targets plus not even giving Poch a call.

    If Ange was targeted from day one (to be fair he was on one of the early list of potential targets) as the number one candidate then I don’t think there’d be as much dismay and disgruntlement from fans as there is now but because roughly two or so months after sacking Conte and we’re still not really any none the wiser as to whether Ange is definitely the priority or not, or even whether he’ll accept, it just looks absolutely awful from the club, especially with no DoF too.

    What’s worse is that clubs around us are already making moves for players, we can’t even really do that until we have people in place because if we sign players that a manager may not want it just leads us back to that cycle of seeing players wasted. Plus we’ve also got about 10+ players that need moving out.

    Really is a ****show at the moment and I don’t envy any manager coming into it.
     
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    I agree on the timing. Not ideal practically or for the optics when it comes to fans or the wider footballing world. But like you say Ange was a name mentioned early doors and nothing concrete was ever going to happen until after this final anyway, if he was the one we ended up going for.
     
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    Ladies and gentlemen, I think that I have found the most idiotic reaction
     
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    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    So if he signs a lot of youngsters, would that make them Neppe-o babies?

    ...sorry
     
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    To be fair, I was pretty much against Ange until I did some reading on him. Not many will bother to read his résumé which is a shame because it’s bloody impressive! Those that know him or worked with him, all have plenty of praise for him. It’s only the ignorant that are against him.
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    Especially that one very angry bloke off GorillaBelch News

    ...that needs narrowing down, doesn't it?
     
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    Any manager who cares about which players we sign shouldn't even be considered for the role.
     
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  18. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I think it's a case of he's one of the few remaining to go for so we simply had to wait until after the final.

    Slot rejected us. Poch was never contacted, as do some claim with Nagelsmann (which I think is bollocks, he just wasn't interested until DoF was in place/ of his choosing). Kompany signed a new deal. De Zerbi's never leaving Brighton for us at the moment. Amorim is rumoured to have told his squad he'd be there next season. So I think it was only Ange, Silva or Enrique from the original links remaining.

    I have fully bought into the idea of Ange though but I don't think the general fanbase have. Lot of social media talk basically saying this is Nuno v2 (I don't agree, I was very anti-Nuno) and with that you can't help but feel that if things don't get off to the best of starts fans will be on his back. Whoever comes in though will be fighting an uphill battle if we fail to shift half the squad, this needs to be one of the biggest clear outs in Spurs transfer history.
     
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    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    That's bonkers.

    All managers should have a say in incoming and outgoing transfers, there should be a committee between scouts, DoF and the manager to ensure arrivals are aligned with the club's and manager's vision in how to play and departures are seen as those not good enough by the manager and co.
     
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  20. Tilly'sowner

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    Yes please :D
     
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