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Postecoglou & Lange (& Paratici) Watch

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Dier Hard, Apr 19, 2021.

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Next gaffer, who's your preference?

  1. Arne Slot

  2. Ruben Amorim

  3. Luis Enrique

  4. Ange Postocoglou

  5. Brendan Rodgers

  6. Graham Potter

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  1. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    That EssexPR bellend, who keeps popping up in the comments for LWOS tweets
     
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  2. Tilly'sowner

    Tilly'sowner Well-Known Member

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    Ah, sorry but I’m not on Twitter so I don’t see any bellends outside of this forum :biggrin:
     
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  3. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Pretty sure this forum has more viewers than his appearances on GibletBlancmange News, too...
     
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  4. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Well that's interesting...

    And guess who is mouthing off like an ignorant ****?
     
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  5. The Huddlefro

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    Some of the reaction is absolutely snobbery of a sort, half the shouty types on Twitter who are calling for Gallardo or this or the other manager have probably never watched a Celtic or River game, let alone enough footage to form an opinion. I think a lot of it is also just a complete lack of faith in the club to make the right decision anymore, so people are unhappy whatever happens, which I do understand.

    I think Ange has the makings of a good appointment. We need someone to re-set the club a bit. If he steps up a level as a manager while he’s at Spurs then you keep him on, otherwise you look to upgrade after the initial rebuild is done.

    All fans, but it feels like especially Spurs twitter, seem to want the immediate perfect solution. Players and managers. Someone who comes in and performs now and constantly gets better over 5+ years. Of course that’s the ideal but it’s not realistic. Ange could be a very good PL manager, but the way to look at him IMO is someone who can rebuild the squad to play a more modern style of football, and manage the transition between the old guard remnants of the Poch era to a new squad. He may well be the right man to do that. He strikes me as the right kind of coach for a club in transition, which we clearly are. If he can complete that job, then time will tell if he’s also capable of taking the next step.
     
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  6. Rudekid

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  7. humanbeingincroydon

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    The most absurd part is they're screeching that Ange has no pedigree in elite European leagues...and then demand Gallardo, who has no pedigree in elite European leagues

    While it is true Gallardo's been talked up for a year or two, and I'm sure that I've thrown his name into the hat and/or cauldron once or twice in the past, there are obvious potential drawbacks: the most obvious one being he doesn't speak English so we'd need translators for team talks and tactics that would suggest a core of Spanish speakers would be needed in short term, which wouldn't be an issue with Romero or Porro as they're likely going to be core players anyway - but on the other hand that does open doors for Dier and Lo Celso, which I am sure would go down really well with members of our fanbase who get disproportionately enraged by whoever that week's allocated sacrificial trash is deemed to be. The other potential issue with Gallardo is he has always had the air of being the hipster choice, somebody that TiFo Football would suggest in one of their videos to look smart in much the same way their suggested transfers seem to be G Fuel Vienna players, which puts him at the same level as whoever that season's Cool Bundesliga Coach happens to be, and we've seen how often those coaches fail to step up (i.e. Marco Rose or Adi Hutter lasting just one season at Dortmund and A German Team respectively)

    More than anything else, the comparisons with Nuno don't really add up as Nuno always felt like we were appointing a safe pair of hands and nothing more, other than maybe Paratici having one eye on some Jorge Mendes clients and wanting to haggle a bit, and TBH Ange feels more like bringing in Harry Redknapp. If anyone feels like a potential Nuno, it's Marco Silva

    This does beg the question if the purple & gold crew would be screaming at the idea of hiring Harry Redknapp if we did it now, or whether they're just bored as the Minnesota Vikings aren't playing yet...
     
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  8. remembercolinlee

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    Great response...Good to see a manager showing respect to his current club's fans...especially with a cup final coming up.
    One of my issues with Pochettino was him saying he may quit if we won the CL just before the final.
     
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  9. humanbeingincroydon

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    And then there's

    *gestures in the direction of the last eighteen months*
     
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  10. PowerSpurs

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    That is fine once a manager is in post but I was replying to your assertion that not having a manager early in the window is some sort of disaster. We need to behave exactly how we would if we had a manager and DoF with Mason acting as the former and the Head of Recruitment acting as the latter. Anyone who has been clearly identified as improving the squad should be targeted to be acquired and anyone in the current squad who is considered below what we need should be targeted to be sold or loaned. The new manager and DoF have no time to change anything in our recruitment process that really matters before the window closes (if ever) and their personal views on players are not likely to add value either.
     
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  11. The Huddlefro

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    But what if Mason and the new manager don’t want the same profiles from their players? What if Mason wants to move Eric Dier on and the new manager wants to keep him?
     
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  12. PowerSpurs

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    Then Mason is almost exactly as likely to be right as the new manager because the chance of either of them being able to assess that is more or less zero.
    It's another of those football myths that has no basis in reality. Some players at any price level are better than others....identifying which ones they actually are seems to be beyond anyone in practice. And as for players with particular strengths and weaknesses for specific systems...I don't even see that being a big deal in practice.
     
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  13. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    It is a problem though, because with the situation our squad is in we need to be putting in the groundwork right now with regards to ins and outs but we can’t do that until staff are in place and have assessed their wants and want nots.

    Mason being involved with any decisions is also just as bonkers. Someone who won’t be involved with the running of the team should have absolutely no say with who comes in and departs from it.

    It’s because of situations like that mainly with Levy in which we’ve ended up with some players (good or bad) that the manager(s) simply can’t or won’t utilise as they did fit their tactics and contributes to the current mess that we’re in.
     
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  14. LockStock

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    This might sound wild, but having watched this.....



    I think it’d be a great idea to have Tim back amongst the back room staff whoever the manager is, assisting the link between the youth players and the first team.

    Seems like this kind of link, with the balls to disagree with Levy, has been somewhat missing of late. Plus, it’d mean we get to hear less of him as a pundit. <laugh>
     
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  15. Citizen Kane.

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    Then the new manager needs his head checked <laugh>
     
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  16. The Huddlefro

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    It’s simply untrue though. Take Arsenal’s LBs. Tierney is a very good LB. So is Zinchenko. But the latter is the better player for their system as he is capable of inverting into midfield and playing there when that team are in possession, which Tierney does not do to the same standard. Because this is what Arteta wants the player in that position to do, Zinchenko is the better player for that system.

    Identifying the players with the right profiles and attributes to fill the role the manager wants on the pitch is precisely the key capability that is necessary and why unity between a manager and DoF is so important.
     
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    And precisely the reason why our current squad is such a patchwork mess that looks exactly like what you'd expect a squad built by four different managers to look like.
     
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  19. humanbeingincroydon

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    One benefit of giving Mason the job: an immediate end to clickbait articles about Deki
     
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  20. littleDinosaurLuke

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    What about Chelsea manager Emma Hayes?
    She can’t be any worse than some of those suggested. And has more PL experience.
     
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