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has anybody got faith in waddock to keep us up

Discussion in 'Wycombe' started by Rocky blue army, Feb 2, 2012.

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should waddock go

Poll closed Feb 16, 2012.
  1. waddock to stay

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  2. waddock to get the sack

    2 vote(s)
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  3. waddock to resign

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  1. josewwfc

    josewwfc Well-Known Member

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    not on twitter JS, gutted if theres another josewwfc out there!
     
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  2. Finchyblue

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    To be perfectly honest, the main reason for our promotion last year was because of the poor quality of league 2. However, that said Waddock did the job. His signings on the whole however are poor, particularly his summer signings this season with only Grant being relatively regular in the team and he is very inconsistent. Aside from Bull, can you really name a quality Waddock signing? Bull as well was a player he inherited at Aldershot so was a no brainer, not exactly a great scouting job.

    His inability to deal with our weak defence is also alarming. We have been shipping goals all season but even more so in January yet we only brought in the inexperienced Laing in defence and only for a month. He is tactically very poor with a plan A approach, which if it doesn't work he has no idea. Point in case Huddersfield at home. We go 2-0 down very early and can barely get out of our half, Novak is dropping into midfield so instead of possibly putting somebody on Novak and dropping a forward as cover for a period to weather the storm, he leaves as is and soon it is 3-0. At half time, absolutely no change in personnel or formation so quickly 4 then 5 -0. Finally he makes a change, going to a 4-5-1 when by that stage it was simply pointless. Frequently in games he leaves the use of subs until it is too late.

    He also appears to not realize the importance of set pieces, as we have no imagination when it comes to attacking them and ship goals from them at a level of almost a goal a game recently. Our attacking set pieces appear to be just a swing it into the middle see what happens. There is very little movement or actually attacking of the ball. This then has a knock effect on defending set pieces, as if you have no idea of how to attack them how do you have an idea of how to stop someone attacking them?

    Whenever we get one or two defeats and poor performances, we are often met with his press comments of, "We didn't see that coming." After Bournemouth he then publicly threatens to drop 9 of the team for the next game and proceeds to only drop 2. What does that tell his team? Just ignore what I say in the press your places are safe. Then Huddersfield at home, live on Sky in front of the viewing public and surely some pride at stake against a team who we have been woeful against. What do we get? One of the most shambolic displays I think I have ever seen.

    I don't really want to be going through managers every other season but to me Waddock is tactically inept, appears to struggle to motivate his players regularly and his transfer record is poor.

    However, realistically I think he will not be sacked as he has 2 years or so to run on his contract, the first time Hayes has committed to such a deal. If he was to bite the bullet, I would do so now, as I see no positive future with Waddock at the helm. That said I do not think getting rid of Waddock will just solve the issues, our main issue is Hayes. I don't think we can truly have any future unless he goes.
     
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  3. Rocky blue army

    Rocky blue army Well-Known Member

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    well said finchy<applause><applause><applause>
     
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  4. Blue_Slasher

    Blue_Slasher Active Member

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    I was referring more to Lamberts team when I was talking about comparisons. Woodman, McCRacken, WIlliamson, Martin, tommy doc, holt, mcgleish,Easter etc.
    As for new managers. I'd be happy to give Keith Scott the job
     
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  5. Ron

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    Ditto
     
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  6. LCWanderer

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    Good stuff Finchy
     
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  7. ThaiCanary

    ThaiCanary Well-Known Member

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    Hi Chairboys <ok>

    As most of you know I have said on a few occasions in recent months I fear your team are unlikely to stay up and the only thing that has changed since the last time I said it is you have dropped 2 places to 24th. I see nothing that is going to change my point of view and I am sorry to say that.
    I am sorry because for some odd reason I have grown to like your club and I think you fans can take a lot of credit for that as you have treated me well on my visits to your board. I also like your team strip <laugh>

    So, although I think you are going back down I also think to sack the manager will not achieve much as I feel no manager who is likely to step in at this level is going to make a significant difference and again this comes down to being one of the small fish in the division. If you could replace Waddock with someone like Sean O'Driscoll then that would give you a fighting chance perhaps but I am not convinced your board could attract him under the current position the club finds itself in.
     
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  8. Rocky blue army

    Rocky blue army Well-Known Member

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    morning thai hope you are keeping well mate and you are welcome on here anytime,i totally agree that we are going down but disagree with keeping waddock,his signings have been terrible he let players go at the end of last season and replaced them with players that are worse,he is tactically useless,his substitutions are often too late or the wrong choice.we are leaking goals and he signs wingers and strikers<doh>. after heavy defeats he comes out with the same old dross like this is not acceptable then proceeds to pick nearly the same team the following week.the huddersfield massacre was always on the cards when he picked 2 wingers that dont ever track back and help the defence let alone help the midfield, everyone could see that apart from our manager and he is paid to do the job.the players shouldnt need motivating to go out and perform on the pitch they should be proud to do their job properly,if any of us consistently didnt perform in our job we would be sacked so it should be no different for the manager who clearly cannot do the job properly and should do the decent thing and go.the team has no heart ,no fight and more often than not dont give a **** ,so something has to change,i accept that other teams have more money and buy better players than we do but it doesnt excuse the lack of effort by our players and its waddock that brought them to our club.unfortunately our club is run by an owner who alienates himself from the supporters and doesnt give a **** about us or the club so the rot starts with him and all he is doing now is asset stripping the club.we are in more debt than we ever have been before and are losing over a million pounds a year which we cannot sustain for much longer,he has us by the short and curlies and he knows that and most of us fear the inevitable the club going into liquidation . this is a very worrying time to be a blues fan at the moment and i dont think that there are many if any genuine people out their who would be interesting in buying us...........................rant over
     
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  9. ThaiCanary

    ThaiCanary Well-Known Member

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    Hi Rocky <ok>

    Nice rant <laugh>

    I am not trying to defend the indefensible but just saying it's probably too late for a change to get the much needed impact. That in itself poses a problem or two for the board and of course it's mostly about financial implications and as you said - your are currently losing far too much money already.

    To sack him is going to cost money and a new manager may not save Wycombe from the drop, so it's a risk and under the circumstances a big risk. The other way they could be thinking is, the board see the drop as inevitable so to that end keep the current team manager and save some money in doing so but give him perhaps 6-10 games next season.

    What is the difference in attendance figures from L2 to this season? Would a small drop in those numbers make any real difference to the coffers?
    Even if you stay up and have some bigger clubs visiting next season, will there be enough money generated from those games to make a significant difference to the coffers?
     
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  10. Rocky blue army

    Rocky blue army Well-Known Member

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    thats why in my opinion waddock should resign because we cant afford to pay him off,but i do see it from his point of view ,why should he not be paid off ,he is under contract and legally he is entitled to his pay.the crowds are down because of steve hayes mainly and the way he runs our club,and they wont come back until he is gone.as for the manager i think he should go because this is one of the worst wycombe teams i have seen play in my 26 years of watching them and that is down to waddock,he has got rid of players he should have kept and replaced them with crap and that is not good enough. i dont mind my team losing now and then and take it on the chin but when we lose and you can clearly see that the players havent got a clue and the manager on the sidelines doesnt know what to do about it that is annoying and to me there is only one outcome waddock has to go.
     
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  11. ThaiCanary

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    Just had a quick glance at your fixtures for the next month or so.....

    At least you have some games against the likes of Yeovil, Walsall & Scun thorpe in the none too distant future. These three games are going to be absolutely crucial. Win all 3 and maybe, just maybe things might look a little different. After the Scunny game I will make another assessment and hope to come back with some positive noises for you mate <ok>
     
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  12. Rocky blue army

    Rocky blue army Well-Known Member

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    yeovil we always lose by 3 or 4 goals so thats one gone <whistle><cheers>
     
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  13. ThaiCanary

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    oh well, no positive noises in a month's time then. Feck me I tried <laugh>
     
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  14. Rocky blue army

    Rocky blue army Well-Known Member

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    <laugh><laugh><laugh> well at least you lightened the mood thai <cheers>
     
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  15. Bilversack

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    JS - Wadds hasn't been any good this season. He got us promoted last season (after failing to keep us up the season before) but that was kind of expected - i have a feeling if we hadn't gone up last season heads would have rolled. We demanded immediate success and we got it and hats off to him for that.

    In terms of suitable managers, one of the reasons why I don't think we should get rid of him is that there isn't anyone out there I'd take above Waddock who would come to us. I did - at one point when Gary Smith and Steve Guppy were doing really well over the pond and then they quit - think that they might be a good option, but obv. Smith's gone to Stevenage (and I think he might be a big success there).

    I think overall the problem is, no one will come to us. We're routed to the bottom, no money, bad squad and an owner from hell. It's hardly an attractive prospect is it?

    One option, which would be a total gamble: Gaz Ainsworth

    PS Rhino is in the carpet laying busines - and looks like Grant MItchell http://www.wycombewanderers.co.uk/page/LatestNews/0,,10430~2101271,00.html
     
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  16. Finchyblue

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    I think the point on Rhino being out of the game for the past few years is a bit of an exaggeration. It has only been roughly 18 months since he left QPR as reserve team manager so hardly ages. And managerial change is a gamble but looking at managers in our league, the following teams have managers who had no (or v little) previous managerial experience at a decent level:

    Charlton, Huddersfield, MK Dons, Carlisle (Abbott - aside from a v brief stint in low non-league football 8 years previously), Bournemouth, Bury, Oldham, Walsall, Rochdale.

    6 out of that 9 are in the top half of the league and it is worth noting that at Walsall, Dean Smith was appointed in January 2011 and took Walsall out of the relegation zone by the end of the season.

    Of course it is no guarantee that anyone do the same here but I don't see any long term benefits with Waddock as manager. I think will happen (just my opinion) is that Hayes is having doubts about Waddock, he can see the money he has wasted on his summer signings and Rendell (in terms of money spent versus playing time) and the number of 3+ goals conceded in games but feels he can't get rid because of the contract length. I think he will give him until a few games into next season and then he will bite the bullet. Ultimately I think this would then waste more money for the club as more signings or contract extensions for players that I am sure a new manager will not want. Getting rid now will cost money, there is no getting away from that. However, a new manager may be able to give a bit of lift to the players, which may just be enough to keep us up. If not it gives the manager 3 months to assess the squad and then decide who to keep and who to go and then use a summer budget to make their impact, rather than a potential doubling up if somebody new came in part way into next season.

    Something needs to change at the club, as there is such ill feeling between fans and the club. We got promoted last year but it didn't feel like it in terms of atmosphere at the club. Attendances didn't improve as a result of promotion, which I think is symptomatic of that ill feeling between fans and the club. Yes it would be a gamble bringing say Brownie and Rhino or Scotty to the club but these are people the fans will get behind and get everyone working together. I am not saying it will work but I also don't think we will be any worse off, as per my earlier thoughts above on Waddock. I also feel despite being "in the game" constantly for a number of years, Waddock doesn't seem to show any sign of this in terms of his signings/scouting networks or his tactical play. How many games have you walked away from this season and thought, Waddock got that tactically spot on? How many signings has he made where you have thought, that this a good bit of business?
     
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  17. Finchyblue

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    Also, something else that doesn't make good reading:

    Out since December: Trotta, Ibe, Harris, Betsy, Rendell, Rowlands, Harding, Benyon, Donnelly (injury) and Halls (injury).

    In - Laing, Whichelow and Harper (all for a month).

    10 out, 8 of which off the wage bill and only 3 very temporary players in! The majority of those out were either pre or early transfer window. I don't imagine this is all down to Waddock as I am sure that some is Hayes' influence but either which way it doesn't look good!! (Note McNamee was excluded as he was there in December originally as well!)
     
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  18. Rocky blue army

    Rocky blue army Well-Known Member

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    10 out of ten for that finchy ,i couldnt have put it better myself <applause>
     
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  19. Ron

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    Presumably Waddock has a family in which case, with no options on the table, he is clinging to a "secured" income and not enjoying it. I suspect if there was a way out for him he would jump at it.

    As regards my earlier post, saying what I would do, does anyone think he has the man management skills and balls to do that?
     
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  20. Rocky blue army

    Rocky blue army Well-Known Member

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    morning ron,i dont think he has the man management skills to do that mate.all this is very frustrating because i had every faith in him to give us a team to be proud of and have stood by him up until now but watching the same old dross every week is now pissing me off ,next seasons season ticket is not looking very attractive at the moment.
     
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